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Apparently a bit of a contentious issue amongst riders...

So who has them on their 'Storm?

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Grahame

They all do...

The little light above the main headlight... Should come on with the ignition.

I have a US import & the dipped is on permanatly.

Personaly I always ride with the lights on... I want to be seen thank you...

Why is it ''a contentious issue amongst riders'' ? Its a safety thing...same as wearing proper kit even in what hot weather we get in summer...

Riding any bike in Tshirt & trainners just cos its warm...nah... I've had gravel rash it fecking hurts...

True, there's the "side light" above the headlamp, I suppose I was thinking more of added LED lighting on the bike

I said, 'a contentious issue amongst riders'' only because I've a few biking mates who refuse to have them on the grounds that "Other road users should be more responsible and observant rather than us having to spend our money making ourselves more visible"- A view which I personally think is rather short sighted as making yourself visible can only be a good thing.

I always have my lights on, even on a bright day.

"I always have my lights on, even on a bright day."

counter-illumination / Yehudi lights

That was used on aircraft as camouflage - in certain conditions it can hide objects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

Pentode wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:14 pm True, there's the "side light" above the headlamp, I suppose I was thinking more of added LED lighting on the bike

I said, 'a contentious issue amongst riders'' only because I've a few biking mates who refuse to have them on the grounds that "Other road users should be more responsible and observant rather than us having to spend our money making ourselves more visible"- A view which I personally think is rather short sighted as making yourself visible can only be a good thing.

I always have my lights on, even on a bright day.

My side light is LED, the std one is a bit pants...

Your quote '' Other road users should be more responsible and observant rather than us having to spend our money making ourselves more visible..'' IMO your mates are twots if thats what they think...

Dont get me wrong I wont be wearing a hi vis vest meself but no matter how bright you dress up or you light your bike up there will always be a cager who wont /dosnt see you... The blind tossers pull out on cars & vans as well...

Wicky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm "I always have my lights on, even on a bright day."

counter-illumination / Yehudi lights

That was used on aircraft as camouflage - in certain conditions it can hide objects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

Really interesting article, and I had no idea...! Definitely food for thought there

MacV2 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:27 pm My side light is LED, the std one is a bit pants...

Your quote '' Other road users should be more responsible and observant rather than us having to spend our money making ourselves more visible..'' IMO your mates are twots if thats what they think...

Dont get me wrong I wont be wearing a hi vis vest meself but no matter how bright you dress up or you light your bike up there will always be a cager who wont /dosnt see you... The blind tossers pull out on cars & vans as well...

Funnily enough, I'm looking at modding the side light to house a group of 'ultra bright' leds - watch this space!

As for my biking 'mates', yes we've had a few heated arguments believe me. I've also pointed out that claiming the moral high ground can be a bit hollow when you're lying in a hospital bed.....

Wicky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm "I always have my lights on, even on a bright day."

counter-illumination / Yehudi lights

That was used on aircraft as camouflage - in certain conditions it can hide objects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

Yehudi lights round the numberplate might be a nice idea.......

tony.mon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:09 pm

Wicky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm "I always have my lights on, even on a bright day."

counter-illumination / Yehudi lights

That was used on aircraft as camouflage - in certain conditions it can hide objects

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehudi_lights

Yehudi lights round the numberplate might be a nice idea.......

I like your style Sir!

Pentode wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:14 pm I said, 'a contentious issue amongst riders'' only because I've a few biking mates who refuse to have them on the grounds that "Other road users should be more responsible and observant rather than us having to spend our money making ourselves more visible"- A view which I personally think is rather short sighted as making yourself visible can only be a good thing.

Your biking mates need to wake up and smell the coffee.
A lot of motorists don't concentrate, or observe what's going on around them.
So wether you like it or not, unfortunately we have to allow for this by making ourselves has safe and visable has possible.
Do your biking mates realise that if a driver hits you, and kills you, you won't be here to argue who's fault it was.
Another thing that annoys me with people, is fitting small ridiculous, or flush mount cheap rubbish indicators.
Do you really value looks, fashion over your life, motorist can't see you at the best of times, why would you make the situation any worse.

I'm not convinced all this lights on/hi-viz stuff is as effective as people like to think (think Tiger camoflage). It may even give you a false sense of security. A mate of mine was t-boned off his Blood Bike not so long ago. And he was lit up like a hi-viz christmas tree.

My personal philosophy is to assume I am invisible to everyone around me. NEVER assume someone has seen you.

For a brief period, over 40 years ago now, my mother attempted to teach me to drive. After this short period I took lessons. However the one thing that has stuck with me is the advice that " just because their indicator is on doesn't mean they intend to turn "
I think we all need to ride defensively and assume that others have not noticed us.
As the majority of my time is spent in a car , 40k plus normally, it is all too easy to miss a bike or car especially with modern strengthened window and door pillars. No real excuse but the speed of modern traffic, time pressed people and modern distractions mean we have to believe they have not seen us.
LOUD PIPES I SAY........sorry pardon!!!

cheekykev wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 8:29 am
Another thing that annoys me with people, is fitting small ridiculous, or flush mount cheap rubbish indicators.
Do you really value looks, fashion over your life, motorist can't see you at the best of times, why would you make the situation any worse.

Ah, but Kev, smaller means lighter. And that means faster, but it also means less air resistance. And that saves you petrol money; you're not having to push those standard indicator sails through the air. As a Yorkshireman you'll appreciate a saving.......
Less likely to be knocked off going through a gatepost, too.

Lastly, I've spent more money on aftermarket indicators than new standard ones cost. But there's a difference between well designed and bright aftermarket ones and cheap candlepower specials. The taillight integrated ones aren't much use, whenever I tried those I also had separate indicators as well- not least because you can get an MOT that way.

The bottom line is, it doesn't matter how visible you make yourself if somebody waiting to pull out of a side turning doesn't actually look then even looking like a supernova won't help you. This happened to me 40 years ago, a guy pulled out right in front of me and I ploughed straight into him earning me a year off work.

He admitted a while after that he hadn't looked my way and shot out to get ahead of a car coming the other way. Of course, I should've anticipated what could happen and been ready for it but I didn't...

Back to making yourself more visible, I think it's a good idea having more lighting but there's still no guarantee you'll be seen. I regard every other road user as a liability which is unfortunate but defensive riding is the way for me.

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