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Scrubbing in new tyres - info from tyre manufacturers .

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I found this elsewhere , maybe some of you will find it interesting :)
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Hi,
Solutions are often used on tyres during the curing process. This
solution helps rubber flow and reduces defects. It is designed to blend
in with the rubber. However, it can reduce grip if applied in large
amounts. Most manufacturers have eliminated the use of this solution
however.
In simple terms, the surface of a tyre needs to be broken to help the
tyre grip. This is where running in tyres is important. If power is
applied too early i.e. before the tyre has warmed up, large tears can
appear on the tread surface, this is called cold tearing and reduces the
mileage of the tyre.
Tyres can be 'scrubbed' in wet conditions but it takes much longer and
is not adviseable due to the initial reduced grip.
When tyres are first run, many of the long chain molecules break down,
when the tyre cools, the molecules reform in a more uniform way, the
tyre then runs cooler and is less likely to over heat.

Our official line at Avon is - When new m/c tyres are fitted, they
should not be subjected to maximum power until a reasonable 'running in'
distance has been covered. 100 dry miles (160km) is the recommended
minimum (discount any wet miles covered).

Best regards,

Peter J McNally

M/C Technical Product Manager, Avon Tyres
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Running tyres in
The best way to scrub tyres in is to simply get out and ride on them.

For the first mile or so keep the bike as upright as possible. This will
give you a good area within the central portion of the tread surface that
is scrubbed-in.

From here you want to increase your lean angle a little at a time, always
keeping a portion of the scrubbed-in tread in contact with the road as you
scrub-in a fresh part, leaning further and getting ever closer to the
tread's edge as the miles go by. Make sure this is done on both sides of
the tyre.

One mistake that a thankfully small amount of riders make is when leaving
the dealer's premises within the first few metres of having the tyre
fitted. When turning onto the road some riders lean the bike more than they
should and then accelerate into the traffic, causing the new tyre to slide
or spin up, dumping them in the road.

During the scrubbing-in process, tyres should not be subjected to maximum
power, sudden acceleration and braking, or abrupt and/or hard cornering
until a reasonable running-in distance of approximately 100 miles has been
covered. This will permit the rider to become accustomed to the feel of the
new tyres or tyre combination and to gradually scuff the tyre's surface
from edge to edge in order to achieve optimum road grip.

The surface of the tyre can actually be scrubbed-in in less distance than
100 miles but this doesn't mean that the tyre is fully run-in because the
tyre also needs to fully seat itself on the rim - a process not completed
simply by the fitting of the tyre. The seating of the tyre's bead on the
rim is separate to the scrubbing-in process. It takes longer and this is
one of the reasons tyre manufacturers state that new tyres should be run-in
for 100 miles.

After 100 miles have been completed the tyres should be left to cool for at
least one hour and the inflation pressures checked for any leaks that may
have occurred during the running-in period.

Because water acts as a lubricant, in the wet the scrubbing-in process can
take two or three times as long. This is not helped by the fact that road
riders rarely lean more than 28-30 degrees in the wet, meaning that the
tyre will not be scrubbed-in from edge to edge. As you would anyway in the
rain, extra caution with acceleration, braking and cornering should be
taken. Leave the scrubbing in of the tyre's edges until the roads have
dried out.


Heat cycles
A tyre's heat cycle refers to the process of heating a cold tyre up and
letting it cool back down again. Cold to hot to cold again equals one heat
cycle.

Heat cycles appear to be a hot topic (sorry) at the moment, but for road
riders on road tyres there is no reason to be concerned about heat cycles
reducing a tyre's life or performance.

Road tyres, even those designed for occasional track day use have many,
many heat cycles designed into them. After all, why would tyre
manufacturers design a road tyre that exceeds its designed number of heat
cycles when only half worn? Word would soon circulate that a certain tyre's
performance degrades rapidly before it has worn out and that tyre's sales
would plummet.

However, there are tyres that don't have loads of heat cycles designed into
them.

Race tyres are designed to be used once - one heat cycle. If that surprises
you it really shouldn't. Nobody said racing was compulsory and nobody said
racing was cheap and race tyres are designed to give maximum performance
for one race. A little like a crash helmet, where, when it's done it's job
of saving your life you throw it away, a race tyre has given its all in the
race and its performance will now reduce the more you use it.

The reality is that race tyres will give pretty good performance for
another one or two more races, but after this they really are junk.

Ever wonder why tyre manufacturers advise riders not to buy second-hand
race tyres? It's not a global ploy to get you to buy new tyres. It
genuinely is because the tyre's performance will be reduced. After all, ask
yourself why would a racer be selling a perfectly good tyre?


I hope that helps.

All the best

Bryn Phillips
Product Support Manager, Motorcycle
Dunlop Tyres UK Ltd
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Re: Race scrubs...I guess that f you want 100% performance from the tyre then you wont get it after a couple of heat cycles. However, on the road you would have to be a maniac to get the tyre to the heat that it will attain on the track, and in reality, will you ever use even 75% of the tyres ability???? Yes a tyre's performance will be reduced (especially snotty race rubber)...the question is, will you notice?

I've got a set of K2 Racetec scrubs on the blade at the mo (bought them with about 4.5-5mm of tread...not even scrubbed on the LH side). More grip than I know what to do with...I am no where near skilful enough to be able to utilise the grip that they have lost through being through a few heat cycles.

£75 for over £200 worth of tyre? More grip than you can shake a sticky sh1t at? Scrubs are ace (though they wear like there's no tomorrow.....)
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bikerpiker wrote:I found this elsewhere , maybe some of you will find it interesting :)
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One mistake that a thankfully small amount of riders make is when leaving
the dealer's premises within the first few metres of having the tyre
fitted. When turning onto the road some riders lean the bike more than they
should and then accelerate into the traffic, causing the new tyre to slide
or spin up, dumping them in the road.

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Yup, I've been dumped, with the cautionary words of the fitter still ringing in my ears.

I was being careful, too, until; the first t junction, got waved out by a car driver and was still waving as my elbow hit the deck..... :oops:
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A spectator sport at a local dealers on a Saturday as incidents like this took place - Must have been a great profit margin putting new tires on, warning take it easy then within literally minutes onto the microfiche for new bodywork etc.

It may be that your whole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.

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+1 Zak, the Racetecs are road tyres that are very soft apart form the K zeros (they are basically qualifiers with tread) . They are marketed as road tyres so must have many heat cycles built into the tech. I have personally put all the power the 2009 Blade has available through pre-scrubbed Racetecs and done over 1100 miles on them. During that time I had no reason to think I had made a bad choice, also I am 800 miles into a second set on the SP with similar results. If I come off it will be my own stupid fault not the racetecs :biggrin.
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Beamish wrote:+1 Zak, the Racetecs are road tyres that are very soft apart form the K zeros (they are basically qualifiers with tread) . They are marketed as road tyres so must have many heat cycles built into the tech. I have personally put all the power the 2009 Blade has available through pre-scrubbed Racetecs and done over 1100 miles on them. During that time I had no reason to think I had made a bad choice, also I am 800 miles into a second set on the SP with similar results. If I come off it will be my own stupid fault not the racetecs :biggrin.

Yarp...I agree to all of that. Plus the Racetecs have a very soft sidewall in comparison to the Pilot Roads 2CTs that I have taken off. Without touching the suspension settings, the Racetecs give a much softer ride....whereas the Michelins transmitted every little imperfection into the suspension.

The amount you can brake with the Racetecs is phenomenal....you can really feel the tyre digging into the road and gripping. They are a lot more confidence inspiring when cranked over as well...I was getting a slight weave when cranked right over and on the power (you know they type...the bars start to gently move as the tyres move about a bit)...now banished with the Racetecs.

Superb bits of rubber. if you have never tried properly sticky rubber then give a set of decent scrubs a go. The only downside is that your fuel consumption is guaranteed to drop as you can rip the throttle open so much harder 8O .....the last 3 tanks only gave me 92 miles each before the red light came on (used to get about 105-110) :mad2
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Are you telepathic Stevie :wink:

I had just been out scrubbing in my new back tyre (yesterday evening). When I get back I have a look on here and see you posted this :thumbup:

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I found the same thing with my rear Michelin on the Buell Tim. Slippy as fook for a good few hundred miles.

Had a total brain out moment on leaving the fitters (as you mentioned) and spun the rear up like a good un :oops: In 12 years of tyre changes I don't know why I did it to this day :Richard:

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