Oh no! Death Rattle!

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alec wrote:Where's my CCTs!

hello mate, ref cct's mine took a week to get here to kent, something to do with them coming from northern ireland, it is worth the wait though ROAS makes a brilliant job of the polishing and manufacture
Thanx, they're here! Arrived at work today - and boy, did the day drag after that!
Fish & chip supper, couple beers and then to the garage!
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Arfur_Guiness wrote:
sirch345 wrote: A/G, that all certainly sounds good I agree :thumbup: but before you re-fit the cylinder head I would suggest turning it upside down and filling it with petrol just to double check the valves are sealing.

Chris.
hey Chris, printed out your excellent, step by step instructions re: valve timing in preparation for fitting ROAS CCTs, now the front cylinder head is refitted. :thumbup:
Just one query I'd appreciate your comments on. With the RT mark correctly aligned, and cam lobes of rear cylinder facing each other, timing marks on the sprocets are not exactly inline with the head, they're both slightly high. :confused

Is this due to chain stretch do you think? :?:
Or is it posible the bike would run ok with both cams one tooth out? :?:

I'm guessing that when the front CCT went it wouldn't cause the rear chain to jump? Haven't checked the rear CCt but assume it's ok - gonna be replaced anyway.

Maybe, if you're reading this, tonymon, you would have a comment.
Or anyone else in the know for that matter, would appreciate some clarification. Thanx
A/G, It all depends how much the cam wheel marks are out. As already mentioned when the cam chain stretches the timing marks won't line up exactly.

The inlet cam (rear cylinder) was one tooth out on my bike (a long story don't ask). It made the bike pop and bang a lot on the overrun. I thought it was the exhaust drawing in air, but in the end I tracked it down to the valve timing.
This is what the sprocket looked like with it being one tooth out. The bike had done around 20,000mls iirc at the time.
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Re Setting up the Acumen. I've done it both ways, on a paddock stand on a mate's bike with the front wheel up against a concrete wall, and out on the road with my bike. I didn't relish the paddock stand method either that's why I did mine on the road, but using the paddock stand method (after I'd set mine up) on my mates bike is probably safer than on the road.

Re The instructions you'll be getting from ROAS will be similar to the ones of mine you've been looking at, because he has incorporated some of mine (not sure how much) with his :thumbup:

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Paddock stand method worked well enough for me; if you're nervous about it tie the front brake on or even bettter, as Chris says, park it pointing at a wall, and make sure the chain's not too slack, because at lower revs in gear on a stand it'll flap about and make the bike shake a bit.

Funny thing is, it doesn't feel very secure at low revs in a low gear on a stand, but once it's spinning up it all goes smooth.
It's not falling off, it's an upgrade opportunity.
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[quote="sirch345The inlet cam (rear cylinder) was one tooth out on my bike (a long story don't ask). It made the bike pop and bang a lot on the overrun. I thought it was the exhaust drawing in air, but in the end I tracked it down to the valve timing.
This is what the sprocket looked like with it being one tooth out. The bike had done around 20,000mls iirc at the time.
Image

[/quote]

Hmmm. That's pretty much how mine looks but no popping & banging.
As it was running fine before the front CCT let go, I've nailed it back together as it is.
It runs fine on the paddock stand but will see how a full road test goes, hopefully tomorrow.

Tried to teach the Acumen on the stand but it wouldn't give me the three bars to move on to the next gear. Maybe I wimped out too soon and didn't hold it at 3000rpm for long enough. Probably a bit nervous about the open heart surgery on the motor but nothing leaked, there was no blood! Managed to set the number of gears ok.

Lovely snshine down here first thing this morning but ended up with drizzle in the evening. Hope it's nice and sunny on Sunday morning.
Cheers, Bart
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Usual offer, bring it up to Kent on Saturday next and I'll sort it out for you.
And set the Acumen.
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tony.mon wrote:Usual offer, bring it up to Kent on Saturday next and I'll sort it out for you.
And set the Acumen.
Well that's a mighty kind offer.
Finally got to emptying the fuel tank after work tonight - found out just how fast the Storm is...... :thumbup:
I'm glad to report she's running as sweet as so no worries there, nothing fell off and there's nothing leaking so I reckon I got off light.
But when I get a moment I may take up your offer to set the GI.
I can get it to go into "teach" mode but then it won't let me program in the number of gears - it just circles in the lower half of the display.....?????
Stuck it on top of the speedo and can't really see it under the (dark smoke) screen so may resite it - and make it easier to get at too! Not too bothered at the moment - as it's just SOOOOO much fun to ride!

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Arfur_Guiness wrote: I can get it to go into "teach" mode but then it won't let me program in the number of gears - it just circles in the lower half of the display.....?????
Cheers, Bart
Bart, make sure all your connection are really good, especially the earth. Out of interest where did you pick up the earth connection from :?:

Good to hear all is well after fitting the new tensioners, you were definitely one of the lucky one :wink:

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Display in lower half only probably just means that you have selected the lower case "N" as a neutral display, as it only uses the bottom half of the display.
Circling means that it doesn't receive a signal from the rev counter, I think.

Have you got it program mode?
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sirch345 wrote: Bart, make sure all your connection are really good, especially the earth. Out of interest where did you pick up the earth connection from :?:
Chris.
Willcheck the connections when I get chance. Used the earth the instruments use - I made aall the connections at the rear of the cluster.

Tonymon: The unit displays "0" for neutral, sometimes displays 1 when I engage first but then just circles the four bars of the lower display - middle, right, bottom, left and back to middle again, and so on.

Will do as Chris has suggested and check the connections are all good.

Thanx again guys.
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Arfur_Guiness wrote:
sirch345 wrote: Bart, make sure all your connection are really good, especially the earth. Out of interest where did you pick up the earth connection from :?:
Chris.
Willcheck the connections when I get chance. Used the earth the instruments use - I made aall the connections at the rear of the cluster.

Tonymon: The unit displays "0" for neutral, sometimes displays 1 when I engage first but then just circles the four bars of the lower display - middle, right, bottom, left and back to middle again, and so on.

Will do as Chris has suggested and check the connections are all good.

Thanx again guys.
That' the best place for the earth to be taken from IMHO :thumbup:

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