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Help converting to manual CCT

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Well i think i have run the risk long enough...... :eek2

My 1999 Storm is still on original Honda CCT and although i have no issues or noises i think it may be time to get em done before a spring packs up ?

I dont want to trust a dealer with this job as they probably would not touch putting them on and I am about as mechanically minded as a cheese slice...
So can anyone either offer some help or steer me towards someone who could help... even an independant mechanic.

This year i intend to use the bike more and harder than i have as my focus improves along with the weather :thumbup:

I know the full history of the bike a s i bought it new !

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there is a full & detailed guide on doing this in the workshop section m8
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I havent done mine ....... Yet!

But the general consensus on the forum is follow this step by step guide and it works.

http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8326

I have it bookmarked for when I get the new gasket set and other parts needed to do mine.
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Stop that prevarication- you don't need gaskets.
A smear of gasket goo is all you need, the mounting faces are flat and smooth and don't leak as there's no pressure under them.
It's not falling off, it's an upgrade opportunity.
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tony.mon wrote:Stop that prevarication- you don't need gaskets.
A smear of gasket goo is all you need, the mounting faces are flat and smooth and don't leak as there's no pressure under them.
In that case then I'll be onto ROAS when my wages go into my bank next week. I thought with removing the heads I'd need new gaskets too.
(11) Clean off mating surfaces, fit new gasket and new CCT, (they come already retracted) once fully tightened up you can release the CCT plunger making sure it unwinds slowly until full tension is released, then remove tensioning tool and re-fit sealing washer and bolt, then re-fit cam cover. REMEMBER TO TAKE THE METAL CAPS OFF THE OLD CCT PLUNGER HEADS AND FIT ONTO THE NEW ONES, AS THE NEW ONES ARE NOT SUPPLIED WITH THEM!!!!!!.

Thats why I was waiting. Gaskets seem to be a little pricey
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Not head gaskets, the link you posted refers to the little ones around the base of each cct, which you don't need.
You don't need to remove the heads unless you've already bent some valves form leaving it too long.
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pinkyfloyd wrote:
(11) Clean off mating surfaces, fit new gasket and new CCT, (they come already retracted) once fully tightened up you can release the CCT plunger making sure it unwinds slowly until full tension is released, then remove tensioning tool and re-fit sealing washer and bolt, then re-fit cam cover. REMEMBER TO TAKE THE METAL CAPS OFF THE OLD CCT PLUNGER HEADS AND FIT ONTO THE NEW ONES, AS THE NEW ONES ARE NOT SUPPLIED WITH THEM!!!!!!.

Thats why I was waiting. Gaskets seem to be a little pricey
Tony and I will have to agree to disagree on this, as I prefer to fit new gaskets myself. It's your call guy's, after all it's your pride and joy :wink:

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OK, try this version:

if you take the cylinder heads off you will need to fit new head gaskets every time.

But to replace the CCT's you don't need to take off the cylinder heads.
You just need to set the engine in the correct place- see the link in Workshop- and then fit either new standard ones, ones with a stopper mod, or manual ones.
There is a gasket at the base of each CCT, no matter which type, and as the cct adjusts to the correct length to poke inside the engine (either manually or automatically, depending on which type you've chosen) the removal of a gasket cannot affect the cct's performance.
It's merely there to stop oil leaking out.

You can achieve this perfectly satisfactorily by using a smear of gasket goo, as there's no appreciable crankcase pressure (it vents via the airbox to atmosphere) and no direct oil feed to the cct's.
But as Chris says, if you want to fit them go ahead.

I'll merely add that I've never fitted replacement gaskets, either on my own or on other people's engines, and I have never known any leaks from the cct base, where it meets the crankcases.
So as far as I'm concerned- why waste money buying and fitting new gaskets?

The rear one will occasionally (on manual ones) leak a little oil past the thread- if it was me doing the conversion or manufacture I'd use a fine thread to reduce the possibility of this- but a few drops of locking fluid does the trick, and should prevent accidental loosening due to vibration as well.

(however, for those people wanting to measure the length of cct protruding into the crankcases prior to making and fitting a stopper, you need to take gasket thickness into account if you're going to leave it out).
It's not falling off, it's an upgrade opportunity.
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Couple of options open to folks on here, go to your local decent car spares place and get gasket paper, cut your own gasket 20pence a sheet last you a lifetime....unless your daft like me and wait for the tensioner to snap to save £50 on the manual ones.

However, I have been known to build up rally engines and I have used gasket seelant, red (hot and water), Blue ( exhaust and manifold) and black gasket seelant. And it always worked.


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