I have to agree with what Bluesman is saying about inline-4s whey outselling twins. Just look on the roads - most bikes are inline-4s, whether it's a 600, 750, 1000, 1100, 1200 ,1300 or 1400.
You know the old saying about "so-many people can't be wrong";
It always make me wonder whether there's something I'm missing about inlines and if I found out what it was it would make me one of the "inline club" as well? (I know they are smooth and pull away nice, but that's about all the advantages they have over twins that I know of?)
Its official........................
A bit strange thats there is no second hand ones!!!!!! maybe because that the resale value on SV's is so bad. You can get a brand new 1 for a tad over 4 grand, funny that when they came out there were about 7 grand. Me is starting to think they are not very good but hey each to their own. They got it right with the 650 but cocked up with the thou. It's about 8 years to late.steve trow wrote:Ohh...... bit strange that as they do not have any secondhand Sv's at all... they have 3 demo Sv 's though thats how popular they are up here. But they do have a pre reg VTr in yellow thats been in their showroom for 3 years! as well as 2 second hand ones + my old one.EGG wrote:Yeah the old storm is next to the 100's of SV1000's that have not been sold.steve trow wrote:
Hey' iwantafirestorm'.......you can have my old one.......its still in the dealers I traded it in to, after 4months they still cant shift it
I got their last stock of the 53 Blue sv.....................
You can get some crackin deals on new/pre reg 53 plate Sv's for about £5k........you can get a storm for the same.........IMO the sv's the one to have having had both. And also modded both in similar ways
Better to burn out than just fade away!
All my riding experience has been with the Storm, and I rode a Gixer 750 last week and I hated it. I felt like I was sitting up on a sardine tin with a whiney wind up motor in it 
. Who wants to wait till 8 or 9 thousand revs to get a bit of a spurt out of it?? I much prefer the low down grunt of the twin, at least you can use that around town, you need an open road to get power out of a 4!!! 
As for the SV, I know a lad that has one, and he loves it. I reckon it's an aquired taste for both the Storm and the SV, not all like both.
. Who wants to wait till 8 or 9 thousand revs to get a bit of a spurt out of it?? I much prefer the low down grunt of the twin, at least you can use that around town, you need an open road to get power out of a 4!!! As for the SV, I know a lad that has one, and he loves it. I reckon it's an aquired taste for both the Storm and the SV, not all like both.
RQ.
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[quote="Iwantafirestorm"],
Can I ask; is it true that the SV buffets you unless you are either A) right down beneath the screen or B) bolt upright (can you actually sit bolt upright on one of those as they look quite a racy riding position?)? I read this in a mag (I think it was BIKE) and have considered buying one in the past (before deciding that the 'Storm is for me!
With the standard screen its like for like with the storm. Im 6ft 4 so buffetting effects me a little more. Found with the storm the double buble actually made it worse when upright.......you dont spend all your time in the same position so a compromise is needed. Ive kept the standard screen and my normal position is in between chin on tank and upright as im on the motorway a lot. The benefit of being a big chap may help with the reach to the bars? I dont find it a problem.
The riding position is more racy and set further forward. I am used to it and it now feels natural. I sat on a storm last week for notalgia and it felt like a sit up and beg with a very comfy seat.
If you are bikeless at the moment try a Sv on a test ride......you may be suprised on what you get for little money. With an impending new vtr on the cards the current one is going to depreciate quicker......however you look at it it could mean a bargain or negative equity.
P>S to quote bike on the SV heavy clutch..... they must be shandy drinkers as my clutch is as light as a light clutch. ( they did do the test on the 04 spec bike) .
Can I ask; is it true that the SV buffets you unless you are either A) right down beneath the screen or B) bolt upright (can you actually sit bolt upright on one of those as they look quite a racy riding position?)? I read this in a mag (I think it was BIKE) and have considered buying one in the past (before deciding that the 'Storm is for me!
With the standard screen its like for like with the storm. Im 6ft 4 so buffetting effects me a little more. Found with the storm the double buble actually made it worse when upright.......you dont spend all your time in the same position so a compromise is needed. Ive kept the standard screen and my normal position is in between chin on tank and upright as im on the motorway a lot. The benefit of being a big chap may help with the reach to the bars? I dont find it a problem.
The riding position is more racy and set further forward. I am used to it and it now feels natural. I sat on a storm last week for notalgia and it felt like a sit up and beg with a very comfy seat.
If you are bikeless at the moment try a Sv on a test ride......you may be suprised on what you get for little money. With an impending new vtr on the cards the current one is going to depreciate quicker......however you look at it it could mean a bargain or negative equity.
P>S to quote bike on the SV heavy clutch..... they must be shandy drinkers as my clutch is as light as a light clutch. ( they did do the test on the 04 spec bike) .
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A bit strange thats there is no second hand ones!!!!!! maybe because that the resale value on SV's is so bad. You can get a brand new 1 for a tad over 4 grand, funny that when they came out there were about 7 grand. Me is starting to think they are not very good but hey each to their own. They got it right with the 650 but cocked up with the thou. It's about 8 years to late.[/quote]
You may have mixed up your prices with the SV 1000n .....thats the naked one. The cheapest SV1000Sk will be about £5199 ish and that will be the sk3 model.
The price is about the same as the storm they list at over £7000
and no one in there right mind would pay that so thats why they are about £5k as well.
A 12month old sv100s will set you back about £4200 private storms are similar but a lot harder to sell on.....ask any dealer they will tell you the same story. I found that out when trading my storm for the sv.Most dealers openly said they didnt want it as they would be stuck with it..... just like the dealer thats still got mine.
This thread could go on and on but as per the norm you ride what you want to ride...........ive ridden both and ive moved on.
A bit strange thats there is no second hand ones!!!!!! maybe because that the resale value on SV's is so bad. You can get a brand new 1 for a tad over 4 grand, funny that when they came out there were about 7 grand. Me is starting to think they are not very good but hey each to their own. They got it right with the 650 but cocked up with the thou. It's about 8 years to late.[/quote]
You may have mixed up your prices with the SV 1000n .....thats the naked one. The cheapest SV1000Sk will be about £5199 ish and that will be the sk3 model.
The price is about the same as the storm they list at over £7000
and no one in there right mind would pay that so thats why they are about £5k as well.A 12month old sv100s will set you back about £4200 private storms are similar but a lot harder to sell on.....ask any dealer they will tell you the same story. I found that out when trading my storm for the sv.Most dealers openly said they didnt want it as they would be stuck with it..... just like the dealer thats still got mine.
This thread could go on and on but as per the norm you ride what you want to ride...........ive ridden both and ive moved on.
Its simple....... 4cyl's belong in cars, well over here they doRQ wrote:All my riding experience has been with the Storm, and I rode a Gixer 750 last week and I hated it. I felt like I was sitting up on a sardine tin with a whiney wind up motor in it
I have only ever owned 1 inline 4 and 2 V4's which I do rate over an inline but the V4 is still a bit boreing........ give me the V2 anyday, it dont matter what flavor 
cheers Darryl
Well - as said
You see, there is simple reasons for inlines to overdo twins - I already mentioned figures? Come on, not much men will resist temptation to say "yeah, I 've got 175 bhp Gixxxer!". That's marketing - because it is quite opposite - not people "know something we don't", but opposing to it not much people can a) understand why V-twins are great b)accept V-twins a MORE difficult to drive.
In my experience I had a) thumper b) boxer c) small V-twin (VTR250) c)inline four d)V-twin and I also rode fair share of inline fours of my friends.
And let me tell you honestly - none of A to C has been so demanding to simple task of gearchange. Specially - downshifting. For unexperienced rider.
Now, imagine average Joe moving from CB500 to a liter. What does he do? Right, read mags. Mag's in UK specially is amazingly crazy - I remember PB review of 04 liters starting with "Honda CBR1000RR dissapointed us because is it flawless, perfect bike so we was not excited" Eh???? There was a times, when perfection was not only about BHP figures, but about handling etc.? So, ZX10R comes out of review as best "craziest" liter. Right.
Too scary for Joe above 35 - this guy will buy Blade - and he'll be right to chse blade over ZX, bit not right to aim so high at first place. Under 35 will buy Kwak, will trash bike and himself quickly and will fill like hero when back from hospital.
But he probably will try Mille or Storm - what will be his impression? Yeah, rough as bully - and that impression that SP, Storm or Mille or SV will leave - Storm and Mille more, SV less. Next - he'll look into "performance data" - "Oh, no, even expensive SP only like 110 Bhp....no no, let's get us mighty Gixxer..."
Add small thing - if this is not average Joe, but trackdays addict - he'll go for CBR or whatever - lighter, smoother, more bhp...
Then goes resale value factor - specially in UK people seem to change bikes and cars like crazy - you will rarely see people here, in Belgium to use resale value as one of choice criterias, because people accept that bike is ALWAYS waste of money, except if you will buy CB500 and use it t get to work and back.
Want an exceptional example of marketing overtaking brains?
Harley-Davidson
Come on, not much men will resist temptation to say "yeah, I 've got 175 bhp Gixxxer!". That's marketing - because it is quite opposite - not people "know something we don't", but opposing to it not much people can a) understand why V-twins are great b)accept V-twins a MORE difficult to drive. In my experience I had a) thumper b) boxer c) small V-twin (VTR250) c)inline four d)V-twin and I also rode fair share of inline fours of my friends.
And let me tell you honestly - none of A to C has been so demanding to simple task of gearchange. Specially - downshifting. For unexperienced rider.
Now, imagine average Joe moving from CB500 to a liter. What does he do? Right, read mags. Mag's in UK specially is amazingly crazy - I remember PB review of 04 liters starting with "Honda CBR1000RR dissapointed us because is it flawless, perfect bike so we was not excited" Eh???? There was a times, when perfection was not only about BHP figures, but about handling etc.? So, ZX10R comes out of review as best "craziest" liter. Right.
Too scary for Joe above 35 - this guy will buy Blade - and he'll be right to chse blade over ZX, bit not right to aim so high at first place. Under 35 will buy Kwak, will trash bike and himself quickly and will fill like hero when back from hospital.
But he probably will try Mille or Storm - what will be his impression? Yeah, rough as bully - and that impression that SP, Storm or Mille or SV will leave - Storm and Mille more, SV less. Next - he'll look into "performance data" - "Oh, no, even expensive SP only like 110 Bhp....no no, let's get us mighty Gixxer..."
Add small thing - if this is not average Joe, but trackdays addict - he'll go for CBR or whatever - lighter, smoother, more bhp...
Then goes resale value factor - specially in UK people seem to change bikes and cars like crazy - you will rarely see people here, in Belgium to use resale value as one of choice criterias, because people accept that bike is ALWAYS waste of money, except if you will buy CB500 and use it t get to work and back.
Want an exceptional example of marketing overtaking brains?
Harley-Davidson
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In the 1st 3 pages of this forum, your thread is already the 2nd most commented on - congrats! (I'm sure MDJ isn't proud of the fact that he has the no. 1 thread, for obvious reasons. 
(or maybe he is!)
Your probably right about your dad (as mine's small anyway!)
Can't comment on his SV as everyone to his own (some would say that my GS500 is a bag of s**te for example)
(I'm sure MDJ isn't proud of the fact that he has the no. 1 thread, for obvious reasons. (or maybe he is!) Your probably right about your dad (as mine's small anyway!)
Can't comment on his SV as everyone to his own (some would say that my GS500 is a bag of s**te for example)
Ummm.... ok guys, sorry but a tad of topic here..... but above is a CB500 mentioned, now this is not the 1st time that I have seen a CB500 talked about, but I'm woundering what the hell one is as in NZ we havent seen one since the 70's now you may be refuring to this bike but as I see it mentioned so often on the UK sites then I'm thinking that it is a common bike over your way.
Here there is a large hole between 250 and 750 (600's now becoming popular but still a very powerfull bike) What I mean is for a beginer rider there is no steping stone between there 250 learners bike and a 750-1000cc as far as honda goes (Suzuki do have there GS500 and SV650)
So whats the deal with this CB500... or isent there one?
ps: but who would want a SV650 anyway
Here there is a large hole between 250 and 750 (600's now becoming popular but still a very powerfull bike) What I mean is for a beginer rider there is no steping stone between there 250 learners bike and a 750-1000cc as far as honda goes (Suzuki do have there GS500 and SV650)
So whats the deal with this CB500... or isent there one?
ps: but who would want a SV650 anyway
cheers Darryl
Just see on eBay ... a magazine up for auction which say that the Firestorm is hot stuff .... Will you put in a bid Steve Trow? 
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 21137&rd=1
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 21137&rd=1
Hmmm...
DD wrote:Ummm.... ok guys, sorry but a tad of topic here..... but above is a CB500 mentioned, now this is not the 1st time that I have seen a CB500 talked about, but I'm woundering what the hell one is as in NZ we havent seen one since the 70's now you may be refuring to this bike but as I see it mentioned so often on the UK sites then I'm thinking that it is a common bike over your way.
Here there is a large hole between 250 and 750 (600's now becoming popular but still a very powerfull bike) What I mean is for a beginer rider there is no steping stone between there 250 learners bike and a 750-1000cc as far as honda goes (Suzuki do have there GS500 and SV650)
So whats the deal with this CB500... or isent there one?
ps: but who would want a SV650 anyway
That's surpised me - I thought CB500 was worldwide affair...
It is actually 2 cylinder reliable and simple bike, was always there on European market, so...
They restyled it this year to same look as "castrated Hornet" CBF600
Here is CB500 French website - click some buttons there, you will see all details on CB500. BTW - most popular choice for schools in Begium - all folks start to learn with this bike here...
http://www.cb500.com/
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