Anyone read this months BIKE magazine article on the replacement for the MoT test? It's due to go by 2016 and the replacement will be a Europe wide Road Worthiness Test (RWT). This is designed to be much tougher than the existing test, incorporating brake fluid condition (Contamination & boiling point), exhaust emissions and noise.
If you want to read more about it then there is info on the BMF & MAG websites.
I would suggest if anyone is wavering, now would be a good time to join one of the organisations fighting to protect bikes & bikers.
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Yes I saw that article, was also going to cost significantly more 
We need to kick back against all this nanny state crap and stand up,for some common sense.... It makes my brake fluid boil just thinking about it 
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We need to kick back against all this nanny state crap and stand up,for some common sense.... It makes my brake fluid boil just thinking about it You've got to fight for your right .................... To PARTY
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I don't like the sound of all that. This is why I went on that protest run. We all need to start fighting back. The whole EU thing is a con. I'm not even sure if it is 100% legal as we never got our referendum on whether we should join the EU or not IIRC back in the Blair days.
If there is one person I would like to make suffer and torture very slowly to the point of death it would be that Hippo. Are the government trying to force people to riot cause that's what will happen if they keep bullying us.
This is bigger than just mot's and the way they want to change things for bikers. Its the way the country is lead and they they force things upon us all.
It makes me sick to the point of wanting to start to behave like some do in Belfast.
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If there is one person I would like to make suffer and torture very slowly to the point of death it would be that Hippo. Are the government trying to force people to riot cause that's what will happen if they keep bullying us.
This is bigger than just mot's and the way they want to change things for bikers. Its the way the country is lead and they they force things upon us all.
It makes me sick to the point of wanting to start to behave like some do in Belfast.
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Completley agree mate, as a nation we are being butt f*cked by the good old European community. The only chance is a united voice with a creditable argument. We need a united front presented retionally and forcefully. And if that don't work shoot the b**tards (other forms of civil unrest are available!)
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It's a shame the people don't have a union or something that can take on the government on our behalf's. Why is it that when there is a government in power we cant do anything about it, apart from vote them out whenever that comes around. There should be an alternative government that runs parallel like an ombudsman that is there to monitor that the government stick to certain guidelines while they are in power. I believe it's the Queens job to do that, but she don't enforce her powers. How do we get a government out before their term is up. I want to sack them. The whole political system stinks. We would be better off with communism or what they have in the states. Some alternative control is needed and the whole system needs (I can't think of the word) re-juvinating, renewing, modernising, updating, changing, You know what I mean.
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Mag are doing a lot of work about this I think
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As are the BMF. both of which are well worth joining. The more members they get = more money in their fighting funds = more power to fight the Euro Prats....lloydiecbr wrote:Mag are doing a lot of work about this I think
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I wonder how much power MAG and BMF actually have. Will the powers to be actually listen to them. Will petitions be taken seriously. How far does it have to go before they start listening and taking the peoples wishes seriously. We may end up having to illegally protest on the doors of Parliament to get to get noticed, get non bikers talking, we need a huge majority of people behind us on this one.
When I went on the bike protest, the press and media was minimal. IIRC I don't think it even got mentioned on the national news. Maybe in the traffic news but nothing about the reasons and cause.
I can see these new EU Mot's leading to an increase in dodgy/blank Mot's. And garages being broken in to for the books and stamps.
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When I went on the bike protest, the press and media was minimal. IIRC I don't think it even got mentioned on the national news. Maybe in the traffic news but nothing about the reasons and cause.
I can see these new EU Mot's leading to an increase in dodgy/blank Mot's. And garages being broken in to for the books and stamps.
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To have any chance of success it requires both approaches, an organised body with a strong membership to negotiate and act as a mouthpiece in addition to demonstrations of displeasure at current or proposed legislation.
Motorcycling has always been a relatively low profile interest/method of transport and even with it's massive growth in acceptance it's still only a fairly small proportion of the population who have any opinion either way on bikes.
Bearing in mind this is a European wide directive I think the real pressure will emenate from some of the more laid back countries in Europe, who's tests have been less stringent or even non existent. They will suddenly find that as well as having little or no money they now have no usable vehicle either.
I think the main thing to consider is whether you feel strong enough to invest in supporting either MAG or the BMF. I know MAG is £25 per year, so not overly expensive.
Motorcycling has always been a relatively low profile interest/method of transport and even with it's massive growth in acceptance it's still only a fairly small proportion of the population who have any opinion either way on bikes.
Bearing in mind this is a European wide directive I think the real pressure will emenate from some of the more laid back countries in Europe, who's tests have been less stringent or even non existent. They will suddenly find that as well as having little or no money they now have no usable vehicle either.
I think the main thing to consider is whether you feel strong enough to invest in supporting either MAG or the BMF. I know MAG is £25 per year, so not overly expensive.
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F3, 954 USD front, K Tech springs, Braced swinger, Ohlins shock, Six spoke Mockesini wheels, Harris rearsets, QaT, Flywheel diet!, A&L stacks, stick coils, K&N, FP Ti jets, Mori pipe's [colour]
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Now I didn't think about that. You bring up a very interesting point there. Brussels may just end up being the next Tiananmen square.European wide directive I think the real pressure will emenate from some of the more laid back countries in Europe
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Just read through it on the Mag site.
·noise levels tested with a meter (done by ear in the bike MoT)
Ok fair comment some bikes are bloody loud, but so are some cars, start doing car fitted with big boy pipes(boy racers)
·pollution tested with a gas analyser or data from On-Board Diagnostic devices (not in the bike MoT)
So does that mean they are going to fail older bikes? my 92 gsxr and 78 z650 ain't going to hit a modern standard and I doubt the Firestorm would let alone all the classic bikes.
·compliance with EU Type-Approval to be checked, ie; ‘Illegal power-train modification’, (the MoT looks at UK construction and use regulations)
is this retrospective, as parts for my 78 Z are now hard to get, and if it is retrospective how are the MOT testers ment to know whats illegal, are they going to make fitting a set of anodised sproket nuts a power train modification?
·brake fluid water content / boiling point analysed (not in the bike MoT)
Whos paying for the equipment for this to be done, I can see alot of MOT centres closing if they make them pay for it. Isn't brake and clutch fliud covered under Cosh regs? whos going to be liable if they damage you bike when they take the sample by say spilling some on the faining etc....
·anti-theft devices tested (not in the bike MoT)
So are we talking steering lock or full alarm test if fitted, or are they also trying to tell us they want every bike fitted with a alarm?
·re-test when the registered keeper changes, or after modification to safety / environmental systems and components, or after serious damage (these will be decisions for the UK authorities)
So whats going to happen to the little back street bike shop that sells bike, going to cost him a small fortune in retests, hold on people wont bother changing the log book names etc.. and any serious damage, well if you listen to most insurance companies that could be classed as the bike falling off its stand and damaging the fairing.
·dangerous faults will result in the vehicle’s registration to be revoked until it passes the test (currently, such vehicles just can’t be driven on the road)
Have we moved to germany or are we going to, believe they do this at the moment, and come on how many people out there will drive a bike with a dangerous fault I won't.
·information about each vehicle to be gathered by EU linking the databases held by national governments and manufacturers (depending on the results of a feasibility study)
Data protection act, do the other EU countries have my permission to look at my bikes information er NO, Human rights comes to mind aswell.
The next thing will be, Bikes 1-5 years old say 2 mot's a year, bikes 5-10 years old 4 mot's a year etc...... can see it coming
Classic bikes having a limited usage mot due to out date safety systems etc..... bye bye your old BSA's and Nortons
So we the British tax payer will foot another payment out of our pockets for feasibility reports to be done and also all this possible new equipment, thought motorbikes were ment to be a cheaper way of getting around.
Hold on why not do this to cars aswell, would get a few death traps off the road, and stop some of the home idiots doing mods to their cars that ain't checked.
And what about all the after market part manufactures, Probolt, people like that, as I said changing my sprocket nuts to anodised is that a drive chain mod, changing my front brake master cylinder cap to a anodised one, is that a modification to safety systems?
This all mainly comes out of Germany, I know I shouldnt say this but something my grandad said years ago, and I'm happy to take a bollocking or reprimand from Admin on here for this, But Germany may have lost the war but they are playing a long game and will control Europe and the uk another way.
Rant over!
·noise levels tested with a meter (done by ear in the bike MoT)
Ok fair comment some bikes are bloody loud, but so are some cars, start doing car fitted with big boy pipes(boy racers)
·pollution tested with a gas analyser or data from On-Board Diagnostic devices (not in the bike MoT)
So does that mean they are going to fail older bikes? my 92 gsxr and 78 z650 ain't going to hit a modern standard and I doubt the Firestorm would let alone all the classic bikes.
·compliance with EU Type-Approval to be checked, ie; ‘Illegal power-train modification’, (the MoT looks at UK construction and use regulations)
is this retrospective, as parts for my 78 Z are now hard to get, and if it is retrospective how are the MOT testers ment to know whats illegal, are they going to make fitting a set of anodised sproket nuts a power train modification?
·brake fluid water content / boiling point analysed (not in the bike MoT)
Whos paying for the equipment for this to be done, I can see alot of MOT centres closing if they make them pay for it. Isn't brake and clutch fliud covered under Cosh regs? whos going to be liable if they damage you bike when they take the sample by say spilling some on the faining etc....
·anti-theft devices tested (not in the bike MoT)
So are we talking steering lock or full alarm test if fitted, or are they also trying to tell us they want every bike fitted with a alarm?
·re-test when the registered keeper changes, or after modification to safety / environmental systems and components, or after serious damage (these will be decisions for the UK authorities)
So whats going to happen to the little back street bike shop that sells bike, going to cost him a small fortune in retests, hold on people wont bother changing the log book names etc.. and any serious damage, well if you listen to most insurance companies that could be classed as the bike falling off its stand and damaging the fairing.
·dangerous faults will result in the vehicle’s registration to be revoked until it passes the test (currently, such vehicles just can’t be driven on the road)
Have we moved to germany or are we going to, believe they do this at the moment, and come on how many people out there will drive a bike with a dangerous fault I won't.
·information about each vehicle to be gathered by EU linking the databases held by national governments and manufacturers (depending on the results of a feasibility study)
Data protection act, do the other EU countries have my permission to look at my bikes information er NO, Human rights comes to mind aswell.
The next thing will be, Bikes 1-5 years old say 2 mot's a year, bikes 5-10 years old 4 mot's a year etc...... can see it coming
Classic bikes having a limited usage mot due to out date safety systems etc..... bye bye your old BSA's and Nortons
So we the British tax payer will foot another payment out of our pockets for feasibility reports to be done and also all this possible new equipment, thought motorbikes were ment to be a cheaper way of getting around.
Hold on why not do this to cars aswell, would get a few death traps off the road, and stop some of the home idiots doing mods to their cars that ain't checked.
And what about all the after market part manufactures, Probolt, people like that, as I said changing my sprocket nuts to anodised is that a drive chain mod, changing my front brake master cylinder cap to a anodised one, is that a modification to safety systems?
This all mainly comes out of Germany, I know I shouldnt say this but something my grandad said years ago, and I'm happy to take a bollocking or reprimand from Admin on here for this, But Germany may have lost the war but they are playing a long game and will control Europe and the uk another way.
Rant over!
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There's so many variables in this new MOT. I'm wondering if it is just another source of revenue. If a bike is found on the road that fails any of these issues, it could be an on the spot fine instead of the bike being pulled off the road for unworthiness, an MOT failure.
As far as UK data protection goes, how long before this is made into an EU data protection. Or they just shift the data onto another system that is not covered by UK data protection.
It's insane the amount of problems this is going to cause is actually going to make things more dangerous and employment/trade worse off.
On a slight different subject but another cause that they are trying to put a stop to. The increase in Ethylene in fuel will affect Classic/older vehicles in a big way as well.
It's as crazy as a Banana being said to be the wrong shape.
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As far as UK data protection goes, how long before this is made into an EU data protection. Or they just shift the data onto another system that is not covered by UK data protection.
It's insane the amount of problems this is going to cause is actually going to make things more dangerous and employment/trade worse off.
On a slight different subject but another cause that they are trying to put a stop to. The increase in Ethylene in fuel will affect Classic/older vehicles in a big way as well.
It's as crazy as a Banana being said to be the wrong shape.
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its just a money making exercise and to get bikes off the road as they have a higher accident and fatality rate, than cars, if you believe everything you read.
I believe its not just driven by EU but the insurance companies are pushing it aswell.
The insurance companies want this, think about it, would give them a way out of paying out for all claims, "sorry sir you haven't had you bike tested after changing a part of say the safety system", will give them so many excuses to get out of pay outs, not that they don't have enough or try to at the moment.
really wouldn't surprise me if there are insurance companies work with the EU on this one, behind the scenes.
As for Ethylone and methonol in fuel, its creating havoc, I had a tank liner in my z650 and the high content of methonol and ethylone has made it peel out and its screwed my carbs.
I believe its not just driven by EU but the insurance companies are pushing it aswell.
The insurance companies want this, think about it, would give them a way out of paying out for all claims, "sorry sir you haven't had you bike tested after changing a part of say the safety system", will give them so many excuses to get out of pay outs, not that they don't have enough or try to at the moment.
really wouldn't surprise me if there are insurance companies work with the EU on this one, behind the scenes.
As for Ethylone and methonol in fuel, its creating havoc, I had a tank liner in my z650 and the high content of methonol and ethylone has made it peel out and its screwed my carbs.
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I am with Kev on this, we all need to join MAG or BMF to make sure they have the funding to organise the defence and the data to show they have backing of all the bikers in the UK.
They are the official voice, but we will all need to make our voice heard by writing to MPs and MEPs follwing the lead set out by MAG/BMF and also to join the mass demonstration.
we can't sit back and just assume it wont happen or its not worth fighting!
They are the official voice, but we will all need to make our voice heard by writing to MPs and MEPs follwing the lead set out by MAG/BMF and also to join the mass demonstration.
we can't sit back and just assume it wont happen or its not worth fighting!
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what? another stupid set of rules to go with all the others we allready have. i wonder how much money the country would save if we got rid of most of these idiots that make up this bs and some of those useless thieving politicians!!!