How will the new compulsary fuel effect storms?

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This new fuel that may be forced upon us( link below) that they say will melt certain car engines, how will this effect storms?



Estimates suggest E10 petrol could add around £80 to the annual driving costs of a family and might even cause some components on the engines of older cars to melt.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... _campaign=

[Wicky]

Not good if and when it gets introduced, but we seem okay.

http://www.acem.eu/index.php/policy-acc ... onment/e10

Honda
All Honda motorcycles and mopeds produced for the EU market since 1993 can use ethanol-blended gasoline up to 10% although carburettor-equipped models could experience poor driveability in cold weather conditions.

http://www.mag-uk.org/en/campaignsdetail/a6973

Ethanol in fuel.

* Standard pump petrol can contain up to 5% ethanol without being labelled, in future it could contain up to 10% ethanol ("E10")
* An estimated 2 in every 3 litres of petrol contains (4-5%) ethanol
* Ethanol can be highly corrosive to many materials used in engines/fuel systems and can cause other problems
* c.769,000 bikes may be incompatible with E10 fuel, although many manufacturers' bikes have been compatible since the mid-1990's

EXTENT OF PROBLEM
The Qinetic report for DfT found current (2010) usage of ethanol in petrol in the UK is low (equivalent to 2.8 % of total unleaded petrol sales in 2010) and that although the coverage is widespread it is not uniform "Typically petrol contains either no ethanol or 4 to 5 % depending on the geographical area." (NB: HMRC figures for March 2012 show the quantity of petrol generated from biomass was 3.3% of all petrol, suggesting less than two-thirds of pump petrol currently contains ethanol).
The same report gives an overview of bike manufacturers' information about E10 compatibility:
Triumph motorcycles have been compatible with E10 since at least 1994. From 1993 to 2008 nylon moulded fuel tanks were employed but due to vapour permeability concerns a switch back to steel tanks was made.
BMW motorcycles have been E10 compatible for at least twenty years.
Harley-Davidson motorcycles have been E10 compatible since the 90s.
Kawasaki are still considering the effects of E10 and do not recommend its use.
KTM models from 2000 are compatible with E10.
Yamaha models are compatible with E5 and some new models are compatible with E10.
Suzuki's have been compatible with E10 since 2005.
Honda models have been compatible with E10 since 1993 but carburettored vehicles could suffer poor drivability.

[VTRDark]

They are already putting ethanol into fuel they just want to increase the amounts. Actually the quality of fuel we get is very good compared to some countries. In other countries they have a much higher concentration of ethanol.

But remember the arguments when they got rid of lead in fuel which was bad for the older vehicles and one way around this was to (I can't remember which way around it was) but to either advance or retard the timing slightly. As well as companies bringing out fuel additives. So if this does go ahead and causes problems, I hope there will be additives made to help with it. Otherwise our servicing costs are going to increase.

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[callam_nffc]

I'm not going to worry about it, I can't imagine them flogging stuff that will ruin vehicles over night anyway

I'm surprised the dailymail didn't somehow relate the problem to immigration haha

[Nickso]

It will be OK as long as there is always an alternative, Just switch to Super as it won't be affected supposedly.

I think the main concern is from some sources claiming the hygroscopic effect will eventually rot stuff from the inside out, probably more of a problem for vehicles that are not used often.

[Wicky]

Chinese bikes are wombled

"An importer of powered two wheelers from China said the factory made no provision for the use of E10 and expects material compatibility problems with these vehicles if they are fuelled on E10."

[VTRDark]

Chinese bikes are wombled

I thought they where anyway.

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Googled on it and apparently, some cars and bikes over 5 years old and all cars and bikes over 10 years old have rubber seals and cork gaskets that will be rotted by the new fuel quite quickly. These can be replaced for the newer type seals and gaskets but will cost approx £300 for parts and labour. The other problem with the new fuel is it gives 10% less power and 12% less mpg. If the new fuel does come in it will be optional for 2 years then compulsory after that.

[VTRDark]

No Cork gaskets on our bikes that I know of. Yeh a few rubber O rings and seals may rot a bit quicker but with the age of our bikes most of them need replacing anyway. A lot of rubber O rings could be substituted for a bit of Gasket seal as well as an option, like around the base of the float bowls for example.

These can be replaced for the newer type seals and gaskets but will cost approx £300 for parts and labour.

Sounds like people cashing in on it already with bullshit. Or playing on peoples insecurities or lack of knowledge.

At worst it will loose us a bit of power and cause worse mileage like you say. Just read some of the story's about fuel on the Superhawk site. Their quality varies from county to county and different brands. They have had a lot more ethanol in their fuel than us for a long time.

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[mik_str]

We (Canadians) have had to run this stuff for years now. The FI system on modern cars will automatically adjust for it (make the mixture richer to compensate for the reduced energy content). On a carbed engine, you may have to jet slightly richer (as it's an "oxygenated fuel", it burns leaner and hotter). I try to avoid the stuff personally (most "premium" grade fuel here does not contain ehtanol, and is what I have to run, what iwth the high-comp pistons). One thoing to be aware of is that the ethanol draws humidity frodm the air, so you may want to try NOT to use it for long-term storage, or alternatively, use a stabiliser designed for the ethanol fuel.

Not sure what lame excuse they will use to push it in the UK, but here in NA, they pushed it as being a source of energy self-sufficiency (in the US) and a cleaner fuel (Canada). The irony of it is that, in the first case, a 30 second search on Google quickly reveals that ethanol is a net loss fuel (when made from corn anyhow, which is the main source here in NA) as it requires 40% more energy to produce than what it releases..... in ohter words, the more you produce, the more fuel you have to import to see to your needs..... the only winners are the corn farmers......

Just another asinine policy pushed by politicians (the US is now looking to raise the existing 10% limit to 15%.....)

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The goverment here is trying to delay it but it's the fuel companies that are trying to press it because less mpg means we buy more fuel. You're right, the fuel companies are the winners!