CCT cost of repair??

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Ricky T Fence
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CCT cost of repair??

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Hiya all,
My Storm started making a noise suddenly yesterday. I was exiting a dual carridgeway and slowing on the sliproad, when something broke and a loud rattle was coming from the engine. I stopped to have a quick look and as I was only a half mile from work, I decided to risk limping there at a snails pace.
I am pretty sure (after reading a few threads on the forum) that the cct's are at fault. My question is, what can I expect the repairs to cost? There seems to be no other damage, the chain did'nt jump a tooth.
It's a 2000 W with only 6500miles and had a 8K service last week with a trusted garage, who said there were no problems at all. (no strange rumbles or noises)

appreciate any views

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I would not be so sure before checking if CCT is actually broken...
If you managed to get home on it - pray that it is not CCT or only CCTs.
If it is only CCTs - 2 CCTs at 26 GBP each + 2 hours work. Otherwise - oh...it'll be large. You will need to disassemble heads and check valves and valve seats. Not sure how much, but best done by workshop with good measuring tools. Again, if you luckly - just checking will do, otherwise - quite expensive, can't be said until it's clear what was affected - valves, valve seals, valve seats, head...
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Not quite in the same boat but near enuff ! Good luck !
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It's free if you fix it yourself! I was able to rebend the spring and re-insert it. It lasted about as long as the original. If it's the front, it'll take a few hours just because you need to remove the tank and airbox. It wasn't to difficult. I don't fancy myself a mechanic either.

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Update, Just spoken to the garage and it was the CCT,
they are going to check if anything else was damaged and replace the tensioner.
I can't believe Honda would just let this problem ride, I mean, reading all the threads on here it must be a pretty serious and common breakdown. I bought the bike 'cos I wanted to do some serious milage ( I have a 70 mile commute 6 days a week ) and Hondas are the build quality meisters?
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Mine went about a month ago at 38,000 miles. Looks like its also caused some bottom end damage too and now I'm looking for a replacement engine. First thing to go wrong in 30,000 of me riding it over 5 years, here and abroad, but it kinda takes the shine off as I don't think I can ever "trust" it again, so I guess it'll be hello Blackbird once the 'Storms repaired.

You are dead right though, a stupid little part like that causes all this grief and Honda do bnothing about it. I don't expect my car to be US after 38,000 miles!
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hmm

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Don't really want to dissapoint you but Bird using literally same tensioner with just slightly shorter (I think) rod, and I saw discussion about trying CCT from X11 on Birds as it is slightly more reliable...
If you want peace of mind it must be RC51 (SP1, SP2) with it's gear driven camshafts or VFR750 with gear driven camshafts.
To add to it - I saw similar topics on Kawasaki portals, Suzuki portals etc. etc. despite those 2 using different CCT design...

What puzzling me (after my big quest on fitting ZZR1100 CCT sucessfully to my Storm) - why CCTs seem to be going after 25000 miles on older bikes which not been always serviced in shops and quite often at under 12000 miles on bikes that been serviced at dealer-workshop etc.

I know rule of thumb to replace CCT every 30 000 km, so I followed it on all my bikes...but still puzzled...
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Stratman wrote: but it kinda takes the shine off as I don't think I can ever "trust" it again, so I guess it'll be hello Blackbird once the 'Storms repaired.

You are dead right though, a stupid little part like that causes all this grief and Honda do bnothing about it. I don't expect my car to be US after 38,000 miles!
"Honda do nothing about it" IMO that just about sum's it up really, i'm not personally aiming this at you Paul (Stratman), but surely anyone of us who have to get rid of our Firestorm's because we have lost all confidence in the bike due to the CCT's failing, should surely be looking at getting anything but a Honda :!: They don't support us when it's a genuine problem so why should we support them by purchasing another Honda.

OK I'll climb back down off my horse now :!:
Is there anyone who disagree's with that :?:
What about you Yellafella :lol:

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Agree with you totally Chris,

I had to send a solicitor's letter to get Honda motivated in dealing with my Storm (under warranty 13 months old) when the CCT's took out most of the engine and nearly me. I ended up with no choice but to trade it against another bike (non Honda). I was gutted as the storm really suited me and I had spent a lot of money on aftermarket stuff. Hondas stance was that it had'nt been maintained to the correct level as the CCT's had never been an issue on anyother bike!!!!!!!

Left a very bad taste in my mouth and I am very happy with my Triumph. :lol:
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Re- maintenance - there actually isn't a maintenance schedule for the CCTs though. Whilst changing them regularly may be an idea, it was one I didn't adopt as I had seen threads where these had failed at 5,000 miles etc, so there was no guarantee that new ones would be any better than the ones already in situ.

Hadn't considered a Triumph since they stopped the big old Trophy 1200, which I did quite fancy as a tourer.

I think I'm going to get a tourer as a second bike for distance work and perhaps "streetfighter" the 'Storm to use for more local blasts - the bigger rear sprocket coupled with some Renthal bars shoul be a hoot. Just got to start saving the pennies!
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I think

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All below IMHO.
:wink:
In my job I often have to deal with recalls etc. (as eterprise customer) in other kind of industry.
I must admit - yes, Honda have to do something (thou in UK general attitude of bike and car dealers and manufacturer reps simply ugly comparing with most of Europe - sorry, but that's impression I keep getting).
However, I think there is some general principle in such situations.
Now, imagine you get a "lemon" with Triumph. Please do not tell me it is impossible - I have now 5 friends who swear to never ever ever buy Triumph again: 2 fed up with older Speed Tripple (engine electronics, oil leaks), same 1 with newer model (gearbox gone), one with touring model (it's Sprint, isn;t it?) and one completely pissed off by his Daytona that keep on messing gearboxes and electronics.
I have friend who swear never to buy a Kawasaki after ZX9 with CCT (!!!), and Z1000 with suspension and finish deteriorating so fast he just managed to get rid of it.
I have friend who hates Yamaha for his 2 subsequental R1s eating oil in liters, jumping out of gear and getting clutch problems.
Suzuki? Flooded (by rain) spark plugs on SV650, CCT on SV1000...
See what I mean? None of manufacturers did anything about it - and Triumph just HAD to replace gearbox as bike was on warranty, but did nothing about electronics or leaks.
Do I have to mention Ducati? :lol: Last example from guy I know: brand new 999r chewing it's own starter motor rotor literally and spitting it through ventialtion cover...yep, and guy did go down and demolished his Daineze leathers...
Was your bike under warranty? Did Honda agreed to fix it? Or you wanted them to redesign CCT? :wink:
I mean - if you have situation like that you only thing you can is to sue them (long, annying and expensive process), and that valid for any manufacturer in any industry - and they will do all they can not to admit problem etc. Why? Because admitting it once will cause total recall worldwide.
Even if my CCT will fail I will not be pushed not to buy specifically Honda anymore, I just do not care who is maker, I care if it's good bike/model or not.
Rolls-Royce made sh1t cars and good cars in it's history.
Again - IMHO, I am not trying to convince anybody.
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I can't believe I agree with bluesman :D , I can remember when I first started riding 2 strokes were the thing and their engines were more or less a service item. My A 50 and my X7's used to chew up a complete engine sometimes every couple of months. My mate had a GT 750 and he was always replacing middle cylinder pistons. Bikes these days are so incredibly reliable compared to what they used to be. The CCT thing is really the only reliability issue with the storm (except for the reg/rectifier) and its not the first honda to do this. the 750 in the 70's was even more notorious for its failure. I do feel that the worse thing about the CCT thing is the paranoia that its going to happen every time you go out. I have been using APE's for over 5000 miles now and whilst they may not be perfect they do add a bit of peace of mind when you are 150 miles from home. The thing is that if your bike lunches its motor for any reason its a real pisser and costly as well.

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It would be interesting to know how many CCT's have let go worldwide compared to how many storms are out there.
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Stratman wrote
"streetfighter" the 'Storm to use for more local blasts - the bigger rear sprocket coupled with some Renthal bars shoul be a hoot.

That sound's more like it Paul :wink:

Thinking about it your bike did well by covering 38,000mls with out any CCT problems, listening to some VTR owners :!:

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Post by Ricky T Fence »

Well I'm back on the road and the storm's flying.
It cost £85 parts and labour (one hour), so it's not that bad. Just hope the weather gets better! :wink:
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Post by Stratman »

And another thing, at 38,000 it was still on the original chain and sprockets too! Thanks Scotoiler!
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