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Stumbled across this site today... There are claims that it is cheaper than DS & Wemoto although I have no proof of that.

http://www.cmsnl.com/

Interestingly the reason I went on there is due to a cyber conversation re CCT's, someone pointed to this site stating that he had bought CCT's for his XL1000v & that the part had been superseded...

True enough if you look through the schematics you get this...

http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-vtr1000f-fir ... 520mbb003/

The part number is One digit different... :lol: :lol:

Do you think this is the new & improved 'never fail' Honda CCT or just a supplier change.



On a side note anyone fancy a piston for an NR750...http://www.cmsnl.com/honda-nr750-1992-e ... 101mt7000/
that works out to £787.11 at today's rates...+postage+ it's probably on back order from Japan for three months... :lol: :lol:
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Mmm Looking at it it has been modified according to the chart further down

http://www.ronayersmotorcycles.com/fich ... veh=132082

004 LIFTER, TENSIONER
14520-MBB-013 (replaces 14520-MBB-003)

So there could be well be something in it - but what was the modification (Was that the post on FB claiming the spring was changed to non-corroding metal?

It would be interesting to test that with a an original spring and a newer spring to see if left outside in the same conditions to see if they rust at the same rate. I wonder if Bazza has any of the old gutted internals of the auto CCTs he's converted….
Honda Part Numbering System

Information taken from the following web page: http://www.vsource.org
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General parts:

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Function Number

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Component Number

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Parts Classification Number
(These numbers relate to the Product Code of the first Honda motorcycle model to use a particular part; if the same part is subsequently used on another model, the Parts Classification Number generally remains unchanged. Some of these numbers are listed here. For more information, see the Parts Interchange Info page.)

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Modification Designation

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Subcontractor Designation

XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Color Code (if any)
(Part number color codes do not necessarily correspond to the Honda motorcycle paint codes listed here; they are keyed to the Honda paint codes listed in the relevant Description section of the Parts Catalog.)

Bolts, nuts and other standard parts:

XXXXX - XXXXX - (XX)
Function Number

XXXXX - XXXXX - (XX)
Type Number

XXXXX - XXXXX - (XX)
Dimensions
(Dimensions of many common parts are reflected in this section of the part number—see Dimensions below.)

XXXXX - XXXXX - (X)(X)
ISO Standard Designation (if any)

XXXXX - XXXXX - (X)(X)
Chemical Surface Treatment (if any)
Also for reference
Honda Parts Interchange Information

Information taken from the following web page: http://www.vsource.org
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Honda uses a unique (three character) Product Code for each model motorcycle it manufactures. Since 1966, the Product Code has formed a part of Honda's New Part Number System—e.g., the "MT4" in "12311-MT4-000." Used in this way, the Product Code (called a Parts Classification Number, or PCN, in this context) indicates the motorcycle for which the part was originally designed. (See the Honda Part Numbers page for more information.)

However, Product codes sometimes change before the end of what might appear to be a normal model run. For example, the 1993 VFR750FP (the Pearl Crystal White model in the United States) has a Product Code of MY7, rather than MT4, which is the Product Code shared by the 1990-92 VFR750FL-N models. (It is not at all clear why Honda made such a change in this case, as the FN and FP models are virtually identical, but the exception "proves" the rule, as they say...)

Accordingly, as can be seen from the Honda Parts Microfiche, many Honda motorcycle models use parts originally designed for another model. Knowing this information allows the use of secondhand or OEM replacement parts originally intended for another model, and also allows the location and use of aftermarket performance parts designed for other, perhaps more popular (or more often modified) Honda models.

A particularly useful resource in this regard is the on-line Honda parts cross-checker at Bike-Parts in France. Although their database generally does not include U.S. models, it does often include Canadian models, which are usually quite similar. For example, searching for Honda pn. 53170-KV0-006 (VFR750FL front brake lever assy.) in the Bike-Parts.fr on-line database reveals that this same part number was used on VFR750s throughout the world since the 1987 model—as well as on VFR400s, CBR600s, CBR1000s and RC30s. (However, from the PCN "KV0", you could also have determined that this part was originally used on the MC15 VTR250J-L, which was sold in the United States from 1988-90. This model did not appear in the Bike-Parts.fr cross-checker because, not being a European or Canadian model, it was not in their database.)

Another example of how parts interchange techniques work in practice would be related to Honda's use of the same Gearshift Drum Stopper assembly in the VFR750F, VFR750R, RVF400R and VFR400R.¹ Factory Pro Tuning, the manufacturer of the Shift Kit and Pro Shift Kit replacement drum stopper and spring kits, does not list shift kits for the VFR400R or RVF400R in its application charts (possibly due to the fact that these models were never officially imported to the U.S., the country where Factory Pro is based), but Factory Pro's shift kits can nevertheless be used on the VFR400R and RVF400R, because all of these bikes incorporate shifter parts with the same PCN ("MR7").
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''So there could be well be something in it - but what was the modification (Was that the post on FB claiming the spring was changed to non-corroding metal?''

No It was here...Practical Sportsbike FB page...

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Camchain tensioners on a vtr1000 firestorm. Would you change both and roughly how much? Cheers in advance lads.



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Just changed them on my varadero, for OEM ones, original part nos HAVE been superseded. Got them from
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Well I've just had a look at cmsl site & yes the part number has changed...TBH that means F all. Don't mean the parts been changed/improved. There was an ongoing augment that the newer CCT's from Honda had been changed as the newer ones had a different colour dot of paint on them, IIRC it was pink rather than yellow, they still went bang regardless.
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iirc the part number changing could just be a change of parts supplier and nothing to do with the parts been redesigned or made better.
personally I would never trust the original cct's.
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The part number change will probably be the change of colour for the dot on them :)

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The guy is right the part no (-003 > -013) changed due to modification - if it was the part supplier that changed the final digit would have altered.
XXXXX - XXX - XXX(XX)
Modification Designation
Quite what Honda precisely changed in the later CCT is unknown, and how that relates to the dots is also a mystery - It's feasible they did 'fix' them but Honda have failed to explicitly make it known there's a fix probably because they would then acknowledge there was/is a problem in the first place which over a decade on still continues to be costly for owners. IMHO auto CCTs are an expensive gamble.
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LOL Dechiphering Honda CCTs and their dots is like trying to understand Stonehenge thousands of years after it was made…
sirch345 wrote:The part number change will probably be the change of colour for the dot on them :)

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Wicky wrote: It's feasible they did 'fix' them but Honda have failed to explicitly make it known there's a fix probably because they would then acknowledge there was/is a problem in the first place which over a decade on still continues to be costly for owners. IMHO auto CCTs are an expensive gamble.
That would also be my thoughts on this.

IIRC when the petition was got up and presented to Honda, they basically dismissed it. As far as they were concerned there wasn't a problem with the CCT's on the Firestorm/Superhawk.

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I dont think it was a corrosion problem with the spring, the spring has a tiny tag that hooksround the tensioner body, which gets very hot making the tag brittle, then it breaks, oil going on to this tag would slow this process by keeping temperature down.that is why front tensioner normally fails first.
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The part number change will probably be the change of colour for the dot on them :)
Exactly :lol:

Very interesting. Personally I wouldn't trust/believe them. We've had the Orange dot ones fail as well as the White. As CCT's stand, stop mod or manuals is the way to go. Anyway it's mechanical and anything mechanical fails after a period of time and use, so all a different spring is going to do is prolong how long it takes before it fails.

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For those of you didn't see it the first time I posted it, here's what one of my CCT springs looked like after it decided not to play ball anymore:-

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Wicky wrote:LOL Dechiphering Honda CCTs and their dots is like trying to understand Stonehenge thousands of years after it was made…
sirch345 wrote:The part number change will probably be the change of colour for the dot on them :)

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this was on last Wednesday, may help ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29126854
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lumpyv wrote: this was on last Wednesday, may help ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-29126854
:lol: :thumbup:

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