At last.. i've joined the cct club:-(

markg · Post by **markg** » Wed May 10, 2006 9:31 pm

Pete.L wrote:
what to replace it with tho? not much choice when it comes to twins
That's easy
A SP2
I'm sure you won't be dissapointed

Pete.l
Or change over to Ape tensioners and never worry again

hmm, maybe an SP1 might be in my price range, and I haven't upset the bank manager for a while

Pete.L · Post by **Pete.L** » Thu May 11, 2006 8:11 am

There you go!

Sorted

Pete.l
The induction Roar is quite intoxicating

Post by **sirch345** » Thu May 11, 2006 10:04 am

markg wrote: No metal cap on mine when I took it out, looking at the tensioner I'd say it was the original one too.In answer to you as well Sirch345, the spring had broken.
Got me wondering about the metal cap now, has anyone else had them missing I've had my storm for over 3 years now 11,000 on the clock then and 29,000 now so it done well.
At the moment tho i'm totally pissed off and seriously thinking of chopping the 'Storm in when its repaired, what to replace it with tho? not much choice when it comes to twins

I wonder if the other tensioner has a metal cap on it

I wouldn't have personally thought they had not been fitted from new, knowing how strict Honda are on quality control (pity they hadn't been so strict on the life of some of the Firestorm CCT's) I would think more than likely they had been renewed before you got it

I think the problem may be with the metal caps not being transferred too the new one's, is when you get the new one's, you think because there's no metal cap on them that they have been upgraded and are now just rubber instead, because looking at the original one's the metal caps look like they are part of the CCT plunger and not meant to come off

If only Honda supplied the new one's with metal caps fitted or at least a note for correct fitments in the sealed bag with the CCT it would have helped

I'm not surprised you're totally pi$$ed off at the minute, I know I would be

IMO Just get your head down and get it sorted as soon as you can, then you will feel heaps better and in a position to either trade her in, or keep her

which ever you decide you've got to repair the Storm first, unless you can afford to loose a lot of money

Chris.

Bikemad61 · Post by **Bikemad61** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:57 am

You all sound like mechanics

What are APE tensioners

Comiserations to our scottish cousins, it is very hard to find a good bike mechanic here in Ireland as well

cupasoop · Post by **cupasoop** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:03 pm

Bikemad61 wrote:What are APE tensioners

They are manual cam chain tensioners. Google it for a picture of them.

Bikemad61 · Post by **Bikemad61** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:14 pm

Cheers Rich but how do I use them

cupasoop · Post by **cupasoop** » Thu May 11, 2006 12:31 pm

You replace the crappy honda ones with these ones. Again, google for all the info you need or search on here. It's a well covered subject.

Theres a few folk on here using them so I'm sure they'll be along soon with their experiences.

markg · Post by **markg** » Thu May 11, 2006 11:58 pm

Valves ordered today, should have them some time next week,took the old ones out and luckily no more damage, will be lucky if I have the tensioners and head gasket by the bank holiday tho

Ya never realise how much you miss a bike until you ain't got one to ride

Been lucky in a way, the piston ain't even marked.
Been doing a bit of testing tonight and anyone who changes tensioners themselves and hasn't done it before, ignore the Haynes manual, the piston needs to be tdc before removing the tensioner if not the camchain jumps as soon as the tension is released, be warned

, I tried it with a bike already in pieces and if either cam is on a cam follower the chain will jump a tooth or 2. The timing is easy but its grief you don't need for a quick job. Its worth taking the time to take the valve cover off just to make sure where those cams are!

bluesman · Post by **bluesman** » Fri May 12, 2006 7:51 am

sirch345 wrote:
markg wrote: No metal cap on mine when I took it out, looking at the tensioner I'd say it was the original one too.In answer to you as well Sirch345, the spring had broken.
Got me wondering about the metal cap now, has anyone else had them missing I've had my storm for over 3 years now 11,000 on the clock then and 29,000 now so it done well.
At the moment tho i'm totally pissed off and seriously thinking of chopping the 'Storm in when its repaired, what to replace it with tho? not much choice when it comes to twins
I wonder if the other tensioner has a metal cap on it I wouldn't have personally thought they had not been fitted from new, knowing how strict Honda are on quality control (pity they hadn't been so strict on the life of some of the Firestorm CCT's) I would think more than likely they had been renewed before you got it

I think the problem may be with the metal caps not being transferred too the new one's, is when you get the new one's, you think because there's no metal cap on them that they have been upgraded and are now just rubber instead, because looking at the original one's the metal caps look like they are part of the CCT plunger and not meant to come off
If only Honda supplied the new one's with metal caps fitted or at least a note for correct fitments in the sealed bag with the CCT it would have helped

Chris.

This is EXACTLY case I saw quite a few times. No, it is not Honda who fitted CCT withut metal cap. It is 100% that CCTs been changed at least once before you got this bike as there is no metal cap. And - been changed by not very experienced or not attentive mechanic.
To the date I found 6 Storm owners with failed CCTs that were installed without metal cap.

yellafella · Post by **yellafella** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:37 am

Metal cap ? Pics anyone ?
Mine were replaced by a reputable Honda main dealer but i cant see these cap thingumys !

Post by **sirch345** » Fri May 12, 2006 8:44 am

markg wrote: Been doing a bit of testing tonight and anyone who changes tensioners themselves and hasn't done it before, ignore the Haynes manual, the piston needs to be tdc before removing the tensioner if not the camchain jumps as soon as the tension is released, be warned , I tried it with a bike already in pieces and if either cam is on a cam follower the chain will jump a tooth or 2. The timing is easy but its grief you don't need for a quick job. Its worth taking the time to take the valve cover off just to make sure where those cams are!

You are right Mark the piston does have to be at TDC before removing the CCT but it also has to be on the compression stroke

and the 100% sure way to find that out is like you said remove the cam covers first

bluesman wrote:This is EXACTLY case I saw quite a few times. No, it is not Honda who fitted CCT withut metal cap. It is 100% that CCTs been changed at least once before you got this bike as there is no metal cap. And - been changed by not very experienced or not attentive mechanic.
To the date I found 6 Storm owners with failed CCTs that were installed without metal cap.

That's interesting Bluesman

Rincewind · Post by **Rincewind** » Fri May 12, 2006 9:36 am

right, so its not just a case of whipping out the old ones and putting new ones in??

TDC -????

excuse my ignorance

any ideawhere i can get the APE ones?? could only find from abroad via google

Post by **sirch345** » Fri May 12, 2006 11:00 am

Rincewind wrote:right, so its not just a case of whipping out the old ones and putting new ones in??

TDC -????

excuse my ignorance

any ideawhere i can get the APE ones?? could only find from abroad via google

Most definitely not

TDC = top dead center

It's I would say just a engineering term, basically it means that the piston is at its up most point in its travel of the cylinder

Ape tensioners see link:-

http://www.debben.co.uk/acatalog/VTR1000.html

markg · Post by **markg** » Sat May 13, 2006 1:13 am

This is EXACTLY case I saw quite a few times. No, it is not Honda who fitted CCT withut metal cap. It is 100% that CCTs been changed at least once before you got this bike as there is no metal cap. And - been changed by not very experienced or not attentive mechanic.
To the date I found 6 Storm owners with failed CCTs that were installed without metal cap.

Not going to check and replace my front cct until the back end is rebuilt so don't know if it has a metal cap, I guess my rear cct lasted the best part of 20,000 miles without this cap fitted, better than some

anyone know the part number of this cap

markg · Post by **markg** » Fri May 26, 2006 5:38 pm

Got valves last week and had them replaced(me not clever enough for that bit

)
Got head gasket and tensioners today, head and cams are now on, timing set up and it all turns over by hand.Checked the valve clearances too(spot on).
So its the big day tomorrow, I'll get the carbs on and fire her up again.If alls ok i'll finish rebuilding the rest. Talks of being nice weather on Sunday