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Hi everyone, great site, I have just found this forum whilst trying to get info on the SP1. I have decided my next bike will definitely be an SP and Im looking for advice on general ownership rather than just mag reviews to find out what they are really like and thought here may be a good place to ask!!
Im used to sports bikes having previously owned R1's, ZX7R's and most recently an Aprilia RSV so am aware that its no tourer. Just interested in how owners find them and get on with them as I have read very mixed reviews on them especially regarding fuelling, suspension, build quality and fuel consumption. The other bit of advice I would like is would I be better off trying to get the extra cash together for an SP2 although the SP1's seem such bargains with there being lots around for about £4k.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. :D
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Welcome Stoney!

You've come to the right place for advice! I have owned an SP-1 for over a year now and absolutely love it. The bad bits first: The fuelling is iffy at low revs and the clutch can be heavy around town. The suspension can go off after a few years misuse. As for build quality, perfect, never had a drama. The bolts haven't gone rusty and all the genuine Honda parts work really well. The best thing i have done to mine is fit a power commander. This makes a tank of fuel last for about 130 miles as opposed to the 90 it does before you fit one 8O 8O .

That's the bad bits out of the way. The good bits are that it sounds better than anything ever on two wheels (with race cans), it goes like stink (with the PC3 as well) and wheelies all over the place. It's got loads of soul and corners on rails. I love it to bits. I have had a GSXR 600 and a Firestorm and the SP handles as well as the GSXR, sounds better than the Firestorm (my opinion) and goes better than both.

The SP-2 has a sexier (admittedly) swingarm, more injectors (smoothes out the fuelling slightly), different shock settings and a couple of other bits. BHP is more or less equal to the SP-1. They are quite a bit more expensive but if you have got the money then it is probably worth it. I was on a bit more of a budget so skimped and went for the better paintscheme ( :lol: easy Wroey!) I would look at a low mileage SP-1 and then make sure that it had an Ohlins rear shock, Power Commander 3 USB, Akrapovic full system (Micron is cheaper and almost as good) and full braided hoses. Those would make it absolute perfection.

There you have it, all opinions mind. The rest will be a long in a bit for more thoughts, enjoy the forum.

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Welcome aboard Stoney :!: :D

I can't help you with info on the SP1/2 as I'm a proud Firestorm owner, but wish you the best of luck :!:

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mellis wrote:went for the better paintscheme ( :lol: easy Wroey!)
It's amazing how quick you can go off people ! :lol:

Stoney, welcome mate .... Think you've made a wise choice looking at the Honda SP.

As Mellis says, there is very little between the SP1/2. Having ridden both, it takes a good few hours to really identify the differences.

The SP's fuel injection hunts at low revs/speed, so travelling anything under say 30mph or 3,000rpm it does become a bit juddery. You become used to it, and either learn to ride with it or fit a Power Commander which apparently does help. The clutch can be heavy, but that’s only when your stuck in traffic. It does help that they’ve got a fully adjustable hydraulic clutch though ! The suspension is hard as standard, works well when you’re going quick but expect a stiff bumpy ride when not.

You will notice that all the “niggles” mentioned above are to do with you either riding slow, or riding through town areas. The reason its crap at low speed is because its not just made for that, its not made for cruising or commuting. It’s a very focused bike, in that its intended purpose is to go fast, and to handle well …. For which it does both very well.

Best advice is to take one out for a test ride. You’ll instantly appreciate what we say about the fuelling, clutch & suspension, but that wont matter as its such a experience you just cannot describe it ! I promise that if you take one for a test ride and use it for its intended purpose, you’ll become hooked and find one sat in your garage the following week.

In answer to your question about fuel consumption, I normally range from 100 to 110 miles on a tank of Optimax. That’s normally all fast A road riding, some relatively quick B roads and at the maximum ten minutes travelling through a built up town.

I would imagine its very similar bike to the Aprillia RSV, but having not ridden one I couldn’t help you any further there. As for build quality, it’s a Honda ….

Keep us updated Stoney, its good to hear of another person wanting to join the ‘Storm/SP clan as it’s a cracking group. I’m far from a font of knowledge about the SP’s, but any questions put them up here and im sure somebody will know the answer. If not, they’ll know somebody who will ….

Best of luck mate !
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Thanks for the welcome guys and the good advice. I must admit I don't need a lot of persuading to buy an SP, just wanted a bit of honest advice to keep pushing me in the right direction and I think Im there. Its most likely I will get the SP1 as the SP2 is still not realistically in budget but I will see what comes up in the next few weeks.
Most SP1's I see for sale seem to come in standard trim so rather than getting one then spending a fortune on essential upgrades I may attempt to stretch to buying the SP2 as I think the costs could work out similar in the end, or perhaps being patient (not one of my strong points!) and finding one with the extras fitted. If only I was wealthy!!!! :x
Next step is to find a nearby dealer with one so I can get that test ride. Thanks again for the advice, will keep you posted! :D
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Stoney,

I know its the opposite of what your saying, but have you considered buying new ??

They've now ceased producing the SP2's, so dealerships have to sell off the outstanding ones they have left. Given the time of year and im sure with some threats to your local Honda dealer to kill his/her cat, for very reasonable money you could bag yourself a spanker !

I bought mine new back in May last year, and didn’t pay anything like the book price of £9,399 for it then ....

If you do decide to go second hand, it’s all really down to the colour you want;

- In 1999, they produced the first SP1’s which were red/black. They also did some limited edition silver ones.
- In 2002, they brought out the SP2 in white/black, then in 2004/2005 brought in the best colour (ask Pete, he’ll agree !!) the black, red & silver. Then late 2005/2006, they revamped it again painting them predominantly black, with touches of red.

The only upgrade id really suggest is a rear hugger, purely as it does stop a lot of crap that flicks up from the real wheel. Unfortunately they’re not that cheap for the SP's ! Just be careful if you do buy one, as they do differ in shape between the SP1 & SP2 with them having different swinging arms.

This has made me realise something …. I’ve become an SP anorak !! Uhh ohh, where is the padded room :oops:
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Go on
You know you want one :wink:

:D Welcome on Board :D

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Thanks again for the further advice and welcomes!! :D
Unfortunately I can't stretch to a new bike with family commitments etc.
However I seem to have got myself somewhat confused now, I have a test ride booked on an SP2 next week so that should help.

I have found an SP1 2001 for sale with the what seems to be essential extras fitted, ie ohlins rear shock, cans, pc3, screen, carbon hugger etc etc with all std parts, 10k fhsh, 1 owner exc cond for £4500. My problem is that I have also found an SP2 which is standard with similar mileage, condition and only £500 more.
My other option being to find a lower mileage standard SP1 for less money (£4k approx) and slowly upgrade the bike myself?????????????? :? :?

So I guess what I am asking you guys is, Is the modified SP1 a superior bike to a standard SP2? ( not including colour schemes or noises from race cans!)
As before any advice would be greatly appreciated. :wink:
Thanks again.
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Definitely in my book but then i don't own an SP2!! Those mods will keep the bike up with the latest Supersports V-twins i reckon. Sounds like a perfect solution and i would have been chuffed to bits to get my hands on a bike like that when i was getting mine. It is fun to mod your bike as you go along but just look at the price of an Ohlins rear shock.... There is a secondhnad one on ebay for £415 at the mo' so you can see how much you are gonna save.

DO IT MAN, INDULGE YOURSELF!

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Any chance you can try them both out?
Mellis is right about what all those goodies are worth but personally I'd pic the one which looks like it's had the best life.
Weigh up the differences and make your choice hope fully niether of them have been dropped or tracked and you get a good un :wink:

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A bit difficult to try that particular SP1 on a test ride as its about 150 miles away which is a shame as I just don't have the time to travel that far.
It does look mint in the photos but they always do!
From what few SP's I have looked at so far, mostly the SP2's seem to look like they have led the more harder lives than the SP1 but I guess both these bikes were built to be ridden and not looked at.
Unfortunately I am a fussy sod and my bikes have to be mint! :D
I think I will see what happens with the SP2 im test riding next week and then just attempt patience for a few weeks to see whats about.
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I very nearly bought a SP earlier this year, I rode both types, great bike completely different to the storm. In MHO the SP2 is a softer/easier than the SP1 even though they both perform pretty much the same. I would have bought a SP1 probably as I like my bikes to be a bit edgey if you know what I mean, these days bikes and cars are just getting too good and as such a bit boring.
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Max wrote:......these days bikes and cars are just getting too good and as such a bit boring.
Try a TL1000R 8O 8O 8O 8O :!:

Terrifying speed wobble at about 90, backed off and it got worse, acclerated and the front wheel came up :!: Lunacy on two wheels.
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mellis wrote:
Max wrote:......these days bikes and cars are just getting too good and as such a bit boring.
Try a TL1000R 8O 8O 8O 8O :!:

Terrifying speed wobble at about 90, backed off and it got worse, acclerated and the front wheel came up :!: Lunacy on two wheels.
A mate of mine had one, awesome engine though. The mechanic at my local bike shop has a Ducati 996 (SP ?? the one with all the Ohlins bits) with a TLR engine in, they were built by Ray Stringer for BSB a few years ago, very very nice bike
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I rode it when i was riding a GSXR 600, the TL was faster than that but i can't really apply it to the SP1.

Similar performance?
Which is faster in a straight line?
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