DB law.

[yellowtrev]

Does anyone know what the penalty is for riding with the baffles out of road legal cans?

Is it at the officer's discretion?

Do you have 7 days to make them legal,so by having the baffles under the seat and popping them back in puts you in the clear?

Do you have to take it to a testing station at your own expense within 7 days and get them certificated?

I've heard so many different things anyone know the law?

[kevg]

i've thought that if the cans are BS stamped then they are legal, its the stamp that makes them so, not the baffles, it does seem a grey area, mine are way to loud and obviously not legal even though they show the BS stamp. they left the factory with the stamp on them...and no baffles honest...i keep mine under the seat also just incase.

[stormsmasher]

Kev
I like your naive attitude mate....LOL.

I guess it could come down to one or two offences, failing to maintain the exhaust or ineffective silencer.

Different forces approach the offence by different means, some simply issue a non endorsable £30 FPN, others may use the VDRS (vehicle defect rectification scheme) where you have x number of days to fix the problem and take the bike to a mot station to prove it has been fixed.
The final option some forces use is to report you for summons and then it's a court appearence, not sure what fine you could get.

Hope this helps, I can't really advise what you should do but I keep my inserts with me and an allen key so I can insert them real quick and try and blag a bollocking rather than a ticket.

Daz

[Kitch]

As it currently stands, the letter of the law allows several options.

* They could technically sieze your vehicle for being illegal and unroadworthy. (and you could be uninsured)
* You can get points and/or a fine for it.
* You'll get a rectification notice where you have to take it to an MOT station and get it certified within 7 days.
* Or, they could just not bother and let you go.

The current ACPO guidelines are fairly lenient though. As long as it's not really really loud and you're not comitting any other offences (riding dangerously or having a bike that's obviously unroadworthy) then you should be OK.

Stamped or not, cans have a decible limit to be classed as road legal. With some common sense though, you should be fine. It's all down to why you get stopped in the first place and how you deal with the officer that will decide the outcome. Cans marked "not for road use" are gonna give you more trouble than road legal stamped cans with the baffles out.

What not to do is argue with an officer over the legality of your cans. Remain calm and ask them to explain what they're doing and what it means for you. If you disagree with them or think they're acting incorrectly, then seek professional advice from a solicitor (White Dalton would be my first call) and you can complain to your forces Chief Constable.

[Jason]

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[Fireman on a Storm]

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DON'T

Using one of these stickers is asking for more trouble and committing a more serious offense "perverting the course of justice" for example.

Get rid of the "not for road use " markings or remove your removable baffles and you have put your self in a nice little "Grey area"
No markings does not mean they are not illegal for road use.
A can with the baffle removed has got a genuine BS marking on it.

PUT a sticker on a can and try and make it look legal is deliberately trying to break the law therefore is a more serious offense.

It's a lot better to be in a "Grey area" that could confuse you or the police rather than and definite law breaking area.

THIS INFO/GUIDANCE CAME FROM A CERTAIN TRAFFIC COP THAT HAS BEEN KNOWN TO POST ON HERE AND WHO HAS SOLD RACE CANS ON HERE AS WELL

[chaz]

bought a couple of BSAU stickers for a Husky 510 I had, the cans were not marked BS or not for road use. Took it to the local MOT station (who are by the book but fair and trusty) less stickers and they said the cans look like OEM fitment and although not stamped or stickered would pass!
Also just after I bought a Harley I called in for some advice, neither Harleys have OEM silencers one has Screaming Eagle but both passed as suitable for the style of bike.
I think what helps is the fact I dont ride there noisily that they can hear me half a mile away.
Rather take my chances than provoke a policeman. My son has an XJR1300 baffles removed, what gives the game away is the big hole in the middle and the paint peeling off around the rivets. Come the better weather if he tarts the paint up should look original avoiding unecessaries.

[V-Thump]

I was at the MCN show at the Ally Pally in London a few weeks ago. The Cops had a Bike Safe stand, they had 4 exhaust cans on a wall depicting what is legal and what is not.
1- Standard fitment exhaust - legal
2- "BS stamped with baffle insert present" - legal
3- "BS stamped with no baffle insert" - not legal
4- "Not for road use" an obvious one

Made me appreciate that the cops are aware of the need for the stamp plus baffle insert. I still risk it in London and Surrey area for three reasons. 1) The Bike safe cops may know whats what but there is a fair chance that the traffic cop that stops you doesn't. Before the VTR I had a CBR600 with a totally bald rear tire that they didn't notice when I was pulled and check for tax etc. 2) V-twins don't scream like the fours which is in my opionion what really gets up peoples noses and is likely to have you pulled. In town keep her in the 3-4k revs and no ones offended by the rumble. 3) If I had to ride with the baffles in I think i'd sell up and get another screaming 600.

[Stratman]

I ran unmarked carbon cans (no baffles) for about 3/4 years and the Scorpions now for the last 2/3 years without the baffles in.

I've never been pulled for them (or anything else come to think of it) but have been past a few police cars and they haven't batted an eyelid.

Went out with the police several years ago on the Safe Rider scheme and I asked the bike cop (had the unmarked, no baffle cans on) what he would do. He said, as long as you aren't revving the nuts off through a village and "keep the reves down" in such places, then no-one would really bother. Same goes for my dark visor, been past several police cars parked at the side of the road and they haven't bothered.

I suspect that, doing 60 in a 30 at dusk with open cans and a dark visor - they would pull you for the speed (justifiably IMHO) and then probably go through everything else, also depending on ones attitude!

[LotusSevenMan]

V-Thump

I run a system '2'.
BS stamped Scorpians with the removeable baffles fitted................... it's just that they are cut off about 50mm inside so straight through albeit with reduced outlet over a removed baffle system.

I agree that the thump of a twin doesn't aggravate like a screamin' four cylinder can!!!

[alan]

V-Thump

I run a system '2'.
BS stamped Scorpians with the removeable baffles fitted................... it's just that they are cut off about 50mm inside so straight through albeit with reduced outlet over a removed baffle system.

I agree that the thump of a twin doesn't aggravate like a screamin' four cylinder can!!!

It depends what speed that Twin is doing wether it growls like a feking bear with a bee up its butt!!!

[Beast]

Doesn't mater if your cans are BS stamped no more...
As long as your cans are not marked 'NOT FOR ROAD USE' your ok. ;)
It's now also up to a MOT tester's discretion to say if it's loud or not to pass a MOT.

In the last 3 years have only been pulled twice for comments on how loud, but my reply is always... it is a 1000cc V-Twin after all Mr Office.