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Advice to repair after accident.

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Hi everyone. i binned my VTR this week end... In a R.bout my tyres were cold and the rear wheel slide. i fall down and slide some meters. i'm fine, but my VTR... My bike slided on the left side (driving at right), runned up against the pavement (i think the rear first hit the pavement ) and the bike spinned and stopped on the right side on grass.the motor is intact since a friend of mind made me mushrooms this summer. but there are many damages.
The left fairing is totally snapped, my double bubble screen is desintegrated, the tank is damaged but still usable, the rear metalic part wearing the sat and the passenger pegs is twisted (exactly the part where are the 2 holes to set the foot pegs), my left exhaust line is very scuffed, and the rear fairing is a little scuffed too. my mirors are broken too as my left foot pegs and gear selector...

:( So i need advice for the repairs!
:( :!: :!:
- first i think about putting my bike in street bike some month to wait for more money. but don't know if light as speed tripple could be adapted easely, and don't know how to hide the big amount of electrical wire since i put off all the clock. it depends also of the price. i also tink about keeping the cental fairing part but i think it's a good idee aesthetically and mecaniccaly...
-what could be the price of a left fairing?
-price of a tank? i think about setting a bagster to hide the tank but don't know the color i can set on a 98 yellow storm? yellow, black, gray, ...
-is it possible to pain the bike in the origin' color? the shop told me that it isn't...
-if some of you have spare parts.. other advices about repairs...!
i'm very sad for my bike.
thanks and enjoy as long as you can!
oliv'
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Post by firestorm996 »

Hi mate

Sorry to hear you binned it, hope you're ok and recovering.

Firstly, yes get a Baglux cover. I have one (I don't have a tankbag for it...yet) and its great. It makes the tank warmer at this time of year and you can grip it with your knees better than a metal tank.

Secondly, you can either try and get a headlamp and bikini fairing from another bike (speed triple for instance) and rework the clocks, or buy a motocross style headlamp unit (have a look at Dels bike) and that should also hide the wiring.

Your other option, to get you back on the road quickly, is to repair the fairing using some fibre-glass, although this depends on how many pieces it's in.

Good luck mate.
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Hi mate,
thanks you for the answer. i'm putting down (dissassembling) the fork but it's not finished. i'm afraid of the result. will be my fork ok? :?: this situation put confusion in my minds.
i think, as i told you about putting a motocross headlamp or speed trip for a little time. or i think about using fibre-glass to repair the left fairing without painting. i've found no occasion spare parts so i'll have to buy new ones in the shop... it all depend of my fork, my states of mind ( :cry: ) and about prices....
See you!
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Hi,
just some news about my broken firestorm. I brought my fork to the shop. after the control, it's ok, just a brake disk a little twisted... but i won't change it this month.
spare parts will arrive to the shop next week. This week end i'll try to find a friend who know a little using of fibre-glass. and i'll try to repair the left fairing as best. it doesn't bother me if for 2 or 4 months it's not very clean. I'll change it when i'll have money and if some people aren't happy about it in Laval, they just have to make me a cheque or to lend me their credit card! i just expect that i'll manage to repair it a little so that the left fairing will go on my bike! i'll also try to rectify the back twisted metalic part.
i expect to be back on the road in 10 days. i hope it'll rain all days in my city during this time.

A+/see you
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Post by kingster »

hi Oliv'

I have read your posts in the past, and know that you like to know the correct words in english for bike parts etc. so...
the back twisted metalic part.
...the rear sub-frame.

cheers :D - wish my schoolboy French was half as good as your English m8
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Hi kingster!
thank you very much mate :!: ("mate" an other word i learn on this web page).You're right about me. I like to know correct words. I already have learnt a big amount of bike words and expressions on this Forum. I like it!
I normaly have found fibre-glass for this week end (free!). so if i really can have it for saturday, i'll try to repair my fairing as best this week end!

no problem :D to give a hand too in french or to translate some words if needed!

A+/see you

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Post by welshy »

Oliv.

Sorry to hear of the accident. Glad you are ok though. Hope you can get the bike back up and running soon. Whereabouts in France are you? A few of us are going over to Cherbourg in December for a weekend. Also looking at buying a place in the Poitou - Charentes region.

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I saw plymouth on a map, it's in the south england. Cherbourg is less than 250km far from Laval (my city). If you look on a map you may see Laval right in the south of cherbourg. it's between Le mans and Rennes, in the middle of these two city.And if you go to poitou charente, it's on your raod. If you want to call at my home to take a coffee, especially if your are with your bike. tell it t me! :idea:
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steering bearing balls replace

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Hi,
i've undone all my fork and my steering column (don't know the english name, it's the part with the bearings balls in the front pipe of the principal frame). i'll change the bearings ball...
All is right except 2 rings i have to undo which are inserted and blocked in the front pipe of the principal frame. i think i can undo these rings with a hammer and a metal stick but i'm afraid to put the new rings when i see how are blocked the olds. i've seen in the technical book that there is a special tool to insert it. did anyone here know how to replace the new rings. i need advice.
Not very easy to explain without the technical english words. if anyone anderstood what i mean and now how to do. please give me advice! :!: :idea:
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Post by ex-viffer »

Oliv,
Although I've never done this (only adjustment), I've picked up the instructions for the procedure from the VFR list, which I belong to:
http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~lists/archive/v ... 00920.html

Hope you can understand all the technical terms, and that this helps.

- Ian in EnZed.

REMOVE AND INSTALL BEARINGS:

As per the first US list email I read on this (from Chris Laletin,
March 2000) - it's not a job for the mechanically-challenged or faint
of heart. But certainly achievable in a reasonably well-equipped
workshop.

1. RACE REMOVAL FROM FRAME NECK:
- Insert 200mm punch down the frame neck and rest it on the edge of the
race
- Gently tap the race out, making sure to tap a little on opposite
sides of the neck
- The same technique is used from the bottom to tap the top race up and
out of the frame

2. INSTALLATION OF NEW RACES IN THE NECK:
- slice each old frame race with an anglegrinder - these are now your
drifts. Be sure to sand any sharp edges off them!
- place new bearing into race and put drift on top
- gently tap new race into frame, tapping all the way around the drift
to seat/align the race properly

3. REMOVAL OF THE RACE FROM THE TRIPLE TREE STEM:
- you need to be able to turn the stem/bottomclamp assembly upside down
and locate it firmly
- patience and care needed!
- using a pointed cold chisel, tap around the race with firm blows to
evenly drive the race off the stem seat
- slice the old race with an anglegrinder to use it as a drift
- if you damage the stem, file any high spots off it with a file before
fitting the new race

4. INSTALLATION OF THE RACE ONTO THE STEM:
- The Honda tool to do this job looks like a piece of pipe with a
closed end
- I found some waterpipe in the shed that was the right diameter to
slip over the stem and locate perfectly against the drift - cut it to
about 25cm
- place the steering stem on a solid surface
- place the new lower steering stem race against the stem seat
- place the drift against it and locate the pipe over the drift
- firmly drive the new seat onto the stem
*this part might be worth having done by a machine shop with a bearing
press
*heating the new race may make it easier to drive on

5. REASSEMBLY
- grease bearings carefully but never completely fill bearing cages
- follow the manual carefully
- the Honda-recommended torque setting is NOT the final setting - if
you leave it at this setting (18ft/lbs in the old money) your bearings
will be too tight for safe riding. This torque value is to get any and
all 'play' out of the system with new bearings, see further info from
Bruce below.
- after eliminating 'play' - back the adjuster nut and locking nut off
(about 1/8 turn), fit and tighten the top tripleclamp then check for
final preload.


FINAL ADJUSTMENT NOTES:

"The 'preload bearing tool' is just to get the bearings approximately
adjusted (which you can do with a punch) as I _guarantee_ that if you
leave them at the 18ft lbs preload the Manual recommends your bearing
preload will be wrong. It has to be done by feel which is trial and
error. You need to remove all free play and have a little preload
on the bearings. Pick up a fish scale at an outdoor outfitters if you
want to know what 2.2-3.3 ft/lbs of preload feels like and follow the
instructions in the service Manual (although you can test preload
without pulling the fairing like they recommend). This is a very
critical part of the feel, feedback and overall handling of your VFR.
Too loose on the bearings and the front end will feel twitchy,
flightly, headshake or worse. Too tight and the front end wont be able
to correct properly and will track like a drunkin sailor with constant
weave and the propensity to follow ever little road irregularity.
Getting it right is well worth it, but the Honda preload adjuster tool
wont do it for you."
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Post by BP team »

Hi!
Thank you very much for the explainations! i saw it today arriving at work. i can already tell you that the point 1 and 2 are ok. the methode given is exactly the methode i've found.
1)"Insert punch down the frame neck and rest it on the edge of the
race
- Gently tap the race out, making sure to tap a little on opposite
sides of the neck "---> easy to find this methode... :wink:
2) "slice each old frame race with an anglegrinder - these are now your
drifts. Be sure to sand any sharp edges off them!
- place new bearing into race and put drift on top " --->exactly what i've done yesterday evening! i used the olds to insert the new in the neck of the frame.

:D about the steering, i'll try to do it this evening. i think it's a little easier but i'll see.
i hope my bike back on the road this week end... if no more problems...

Furthemore, these explainations are a good way to learn new english technical vocabulary. thank you!

See you / A+
Oliv
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Post by tattie »

There are 2 rear subframes and a "red / rouge tank cover on ebay.co.uk
on the motorcycles parts and accesories section under "firestorm"

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Post by BP team »

Thank you for the information! i just registered me on ebay and send a mail to one of the two subframe sailers.Very interesting prices even though i'll have to pay transport. i hope there won't be any problem since i'm in france. i "un-twisted" my subframe but there still a little problem with it.
But i rided on saturday! yes!!!
thank you! :wink:
Oliv
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