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vtr firestorm electrical prob?

my 98 firestorm suddenly cut out when out for a ride.it would not start again.after pushing it to my bro's for 6 mile I was told to get a new battery,still would not start,just clicking noise from starter relay,(definate clicking from the starter relay)then I was told new regulator....so replaced that too....so after spending 100 pounds so far on advice, still no start and just clicking from the relay? someone has suggested it may only be a bad or corroded earth connection(from the battery negative lead to where it connect to the bike).All the lights,indicators,horn etc still work fine when ignition on,but when I press the starter button as I say, just clicking.Does anyone have any suggestions. please help.
Forgot to mention when it broke down i recharged the battery and tried to start it.it didn't start as ive mentioned but the two times it backfired was very very loud and im hoping this was not something else happening? can you advise...


Some replies so far on another forum, so I thought I would try the experts here, (by the way, any mechanics near edinburgh that can help me?)

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iancol says:
Firestorm electrical problem.
It sounds like a bad connection, but a sudden failure may indicate a broken wire or connection. Trace the wiring through the ignition circuit and clean all the terminals as you go.
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* Posted 12 days ago (11 March 2009 08:12)

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magmann.
back firing.
The back fire will be caused by fuel build up in the cylinders, A spark, maybe a weak one, then ignites the built up fuel. You should isolate the fuel supply until the motor is turning over properly.
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* Posted 11 days ago (11 March 2009 22:37)



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kcmc says:
HONDA VTR 1000 FIRESTORM 1998

Hi Mwross1964

Sorry but i am getting a bit confused.

Did you replace the reg/rec?

Have you checked the new battery is also fully charged?

Do you charge your batterys with a Optimate type charger?

Iancols advice is good so go with what he says,however i would like to add, if you have replaced the Reg/Rec then this is probably the short in the system that enishaly stopped the bike.Because the battery is new and the bike has not run to give it its first main charge it may well be flat (clicking starter relay).If you do decide to charge it remember it should only be charged with a optimate type charger or only 2 hours on a old standed type battery charger at no more than half an Amp.It will also be an idea to check all the fuses.

With the information i have now i would charge the battery and with the replaced Reg/Rec all connections and fuses checked,remove the spark plugs give them a clean.Then with them out turn the engine over on the starter motor and check both coils are sparking the plugs.If so replace plugs and with full choke and no throttle turn the engine over again to see if it starts,If yes happy days if no check fuel tap(think it has a diaphragm type rock) and fuel is getting to the carbs.

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* Posted 10 days ago (12 March 2009 15:56)

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robc990 says:
VTR advice.

Hi mate, have a look on this VTR website, there are some real experts on there and they are a very friendly helpful bunch. Not saying that the guys on here are any less knowledgable but the VTR site is specific to that model. VTR's can be sods to start and can have a weakness in the regulators; there is info on that site of how to check the regulator, and much more.

Good luck Rob

http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/index.php
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* Posted 6 days ago (16 March 2009 15:52)

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eatcs01 says:
VTR starter for 10

As said above, check the battery is fully charged. Then, if the starter still clicks, try shorting the two big terminals on the starter solenoid together (with ignition on). If it turns over normally, then you need a new solenoid. Don't know about VTRs, but the solenoid is usually under the left hand side panel under the seat.
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* Posted 6 days ago (16 March 2009 16:57)

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gossie1 says:
vtr elec prod

hi. i have had this before on a vtr thinking this was a elec prob. beore you go on take out your plugs remove the inspect cap with a 14mm or 17mm socket rotate the engine make sure it moves freely if it does look at starter sol.if not the piston is touching the valves and it will not let it turn over [this will cause the clicking you said]it would be front cylinder the cam ten go,s weak and it jumps teeth [repair one 5 months ago with this prob but i hope your prob is elec.
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Check the connection on the starter motor, bet it's corroded through.

Nobody on here would admit to being close to Edinburgh, manky place :wink:
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cupasoop wrote:Check the connection on the starter motor, bet it's corroded through.

Nobody on here would admit to being close to Edinburgh, manky place :wink:
As you've prob guessed Cupasoop is NOT originally from Ayrshire ,hes from ...errmm ...think " rab c nesbitt , Taggart ,etc :wink:
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Timbo wrote:
bikerpiker wrote:
cupasoop wrote:Check the connection on the starter motor, bet it's corroded through.

Nobody on here would admit to being close to Edinburgh, manky place :wink:
As you've prob guessed Cupasoop is NOT originally from Ayrshire ,hes from ...errmm ...think " rab c nesbitt , Taggart ,etc :wink:
Dumfries? :p
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:lol: :lol: :lol: Naw ,clue ,hes a wegie :!:
What, he doesn't eat wheat?
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ok,not to sound stupid or anything, but if I take the , what I can only describe the "threaded rod" (you know where the starter lead connects,two nuts,on the rod into the starter motor)right out of the starter motor can it be put back in ,or is it not suppossed to come right out. And yes the nuts are all rusty looking.Also,when using a multimeter the reading going into the starter relay is 12+ from the battery of course, but the reading going out (to the starter motor ) with the starter button pressed reads 3 to 5. Is this normal? should it be 12 also?
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http://fiche.ronayers.com/Index.cfm/Mod ... RTER_MOTOR

Sounds like corrosion has got into the starter motor, what condition were the fibre washes in? - Try cleaning off all the rust and getting back to metal on your connections and the integrity of the seals is fine , but f it's knackered from crud getting in you might want to grab a 2nd hand starter motor of e-bay (you'll need to be sitting down to know the brand new price :eek2 )

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/HONDA-VTR-VTR1000 ... 349wt_1167

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One tip:
even if the connection to the starter motor bolt is in good condition, the actual lead can start to fray inside the cable about an inch from the motor end.

You may not be able to see it as the outer sheath isn't affected, but as you operate the starter it'll get pretty hot quite quickly if this is the case.

You can shorten and re-terminate the lead, but there's not much slack, so don't cut too much off!
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Listen guys, all of you are so helpful, i've never known guys so eager to help another person.The reason i'm so late with replies is I can only get to the bike on a sunday as its still where it broke down (I pushed it 4 miles to my mum's),30 miles from my home and with working all week, so i've still to try your idea's.
But I do love this bike and only had it since last october so as you can imagine i've been out on it very little..so i'm desperate to get it sorted but i'm not that mechanical minded, so I am very grateful for the help so far.
I will get my pics on eventually.
Thanks again
P.S. if anyones near me , feel free to come and help lol....
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A 3 mile push... OUCH! Keep us informed of what you discover and keep a camera handy for snaps

Digging deeper I found some apparent crazy comparisons in prices between the US and UK for a new firestorm starter motor assy (98-05) - Are you sitting comfortably? then I'll begin:

Part no. 31200-MBB-A41

US Ron Ayers = $258.11 (£175.08)

UK David Silvers: £565.04 + £5.85 delivery = £656.52 inc VAT :eek2

OK The US price could be a misprint, doesn't take into account VAT but it seems potentially, even with shipping, it could be under halfprice to get the part from the US - or ask anyone flying to Japan to pick one up at source
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mwross1964 wrote: P.S. if anyones near me , feel free to come and help lol....
Someone might, if we knew where you were.....

Name that area/town!
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Aye that would help.....

Scotland,
East lothian,
Small Village Called Ormiston,
Outside Edinburgh.
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I might be in Bonnyrigg sometime next week, but it'll be in the morning.
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That would be great, i'm going to try things on sunday, if i have no luck, can I leave a message for you , maybe my mobile no.so you could call me, if I know what day it would be I could arrange time off work to meet you at my bike in ormiston (15-20mins from bonnyrigg).
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