Dynojet Kit And Cans?

[IgorVigor]

Hello.

I am thinking about getting some race cans and a dynojet kit.

I am unsure which cans to go for though...

I am looking at the Motad Venom Oval Stainless cans
and the Fuel Exhausts Oval Stainless cans...
Both are road legal (with baffle fitted) and are around £300 with link pipes delivered.

I had a Fuel exhaust on an old bike and was impressed with the quality, but I have heard that the Venoms are loud even with the baffle fitted (the fuel arent)
And that tempts me

Now is the dynojet kit worth the £90? :S
Seems a lot for a few jets, and needle with clips :S

And if I ran the cans without the baffles, I know most cans are similar then, so anyone care to say some base jet sizes, etc to start out.

Setup would be:
Motad Venom or Fuel Exhaust with no baffles.
Stock air filter
Stock engine

I know all bikes are slightly different but an idea of what jets I would need would be nice...

Main Jets are 175 and 178 so would something like a 190 be correct? (Standard honda jet sizes)
pilot screw 2 1/2 turns out (I would adjust them once all fitted)
What about the stock honda needles? add extra shims? or not needed?
any other jets need changing?

I know there are already posts about the dynojet kits, etc, but I am getting confused as one post will say one set of jets and another will say something different...

And I cant remember, but the standard carbs are Keihin VP's arent they?

I dont really want to spend out £50~£80 on a K&N or Pipercross filter...
I dont like the K&N's and I have read that the Pipercross are tricky to setup without a Dyno...

Thanks and await some help

P.S. Once they were all fitted and working I would see if I could afford to take it to GT Motorcycles in Plymouth as they have a Dyno and set up the jets etc as required...

[IgorVigor]

Just wanted to ask another question.

I need to balance my carbs, but I havent got the tool at the moment.

The rear carb opens to far, so it starts closing a bit past the fully open point, when the front carb is fully open.

which way will I need to turn the balancing adjuster to get the carbs open fully identically?
clockwise or anti-clockwise?

Thanks...

[benny hedges]

dont adjust the screw without gauges attached - there is no way of telling by eye & you'll probably make it worse.

as to the jets - id say yes, get the dynojet kit - try http://www.jcmotors.com in the usa, the part you want is e1185. find it then use the online chat thing to arrange cheap postage to uk as their standard rate is $39.
i ended up paying about £60 for mine.
the jets (as posted in another thread) aren't the same number as other manufacturer's sizes - check the other thread to see what the difference is.
i'm not sure you'd get away with just shimming the oem needles or if that'd give you a mega flat spot in the midrange.
as to the air filter, i wouldnt bother rejetting with the standard filter - you shouldnt have to, even with race cans..
if you are going to change the filter, i recommend the bmc1404R, but again it's an import!

why don't you like k&n filters?

[IgorVigor]

I dont like cotton gauze filters personally...

They dont filter enough for my liking...

oil foam, like the pipercross are better...

personally, I would like an oil bath filter but I dont think the engine would like that

And I know I cant get the carbs perfectly balanced without gauges, but I can do it a little by ear, so I can tweak it so its closer to being open at the same time....

[tony.mon]

Just be aware the the cans go 2:1:2, so you can't use exhaust pulses on your hand to set carbs, like you can with a single pipe for each cylinder set-up.

[IgorVigor]

I meant using the tube in the ear and listening for a difference when the tube is near the carb venturi...