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Steering Head bearings

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MOT time in a couple of weeks, so been doing my checks. I went out for a ride and could feel the steering head bearings knocking a bit on braking. So had a look when I got home, and sure enough, even though the steering is smooth enough, there's a clunk when you compress the forks that can be felt around the headstock.

Tried tightening them up and the clunk almost went away but then the steering started feeling notchy. No happy middle ground possible...... :roll: I reckon the bearings (9 years old....) are knackered. :o

So I have ordered a new set from David Silver. Anything to watch out for when fitting them (i.e. any stories of bitter experience that anyone would care to share?) :wink:
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Post by Beast »

Pretty straight forward job mate.
Just make sure the bike is well secured and not going to go anywhere when you remove that front end. :)
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did you buy standard bearings or go for tapered roller bearings,the tapered ones are far better,also be careful when putting the bottom race on,be sure you have it completely square to the shaft or it won't go down,if you can use a hydraulic press use it,it's much easier than using a hammer and metal tube.
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The bearings are the oe ones supplied by David Silver, so I guess thats not a good thing...........

Not got a hydraulic press but I do have a long threaded rod and some washers!
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Post by beckster »

there is no big problem with the oem ones,just the roller ones are smoother.

the threaded bar and washers will work fine for the two outer races as long as the washers are strong enough to take the force needed to pull the races into the frame also the top race is smaller than the bottom one so you'll need a different sized washer.

you will still need to press on the bottom inner race onto the steering stem.
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got mine changed and the wheel bearings last week with Honda parts,
rides like its on rails now.. and riding home tonight i hit a branch i didn't see lying in the road on a bend and drove over it with hardly a twitch [yes i went back and cleared the road] :wink:
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Noticed the same problem with mine last week when checking aroung the bike before the MOT. Handling was fine but couldn't adjust the notch out so opted for some taper bearings(cheaper than oe ones)
Gonna do them this weekend. Don't think i'll have a problem changing them but i've been wrong before :oops:
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Jobs a good 'un.

Piece of cake in the end. It might be a 98 bike but it is SOOOOO clean it is a joy to work on. Nothing stuck, bodged or otherwise brutalised by previous owners.

Got the old outer races out with a drift- some light scoring and some pitting from the balls where it's been resting, but not appallingly bad. But enough for a notchy feel.

Then pressed in the new outer races with some thick steel discs of the same size minus 0.5mm I had machined up at work. No need for a draw rod, I just tapped them in square and that was it. No real fuss.

Getting the inner race off the bottom of the stem was entertaining though. Took a lot of beasting with the laughing stick and an old screwdriver under the oil seal but eventually off it came. New one drifted back down protected by a conveniently sized aluminium disc and pressed home with a 4 foot piece of scaffold pole tapped up and down.

It all went back together fine and now is nice and smooth and notch free.

But now I can feel a very slight knock from the forks in the first bit of compression. There is no play in the fork tubes / slider and nothing to be felt on pushing or pulling the forks up, down, back or forth. I never noticed this before as the head bearings were masking it. I don't think it's anything to worry about though. Thoughts people?

Also changed the fork oil while I had the front end apart-hahahahahahaha 8O 8O . The oil looked like something you would pour out of an old lawnmower- filthy smelly metallic black/ brown stuff. That had been there since Japan. Not nice. Put some new stuff in and they now- lo and behold- have some damping!!! :roll:
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Well done Monkey :!: that should make a difference :!:
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Post by Pete.L »

Monkey Said
But now I can feel a very slight knock from the forks in the first bit of compression. There is no play in the fork tubes / slider and nothing to be felt on pushing or pulling the forks up, down, back or forth. I never noticed this before as the head bearings were masking it. I don't think it's anything to worry about though. Thoughts people?
Do you have the front brake on when you push the forks down?
If you do, it could be a bit of movement in the pads or the discs on the rotors.

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Monkey! wrote:
But now I can feel a very slight knock from the forks in the first bit of compression. There is no play in the fork tubes / slider and nothing to be felt on pushing or pulling the forks up, down, back or forth. I never noticed this before as the head bearings were masking it. I don't think it's anything to worry about though. Thoughts people?
Done mine today likeyourself Monkey, wish I had thought to do my fork oil while it was apart but too late now.
I know what you mean about the knock you are talking about. Mine does the same, i'm tempted to have another go at adjusting the bearings tomorrow to try and eliminate it but with the bike jacked up I can't feel any play in the steering or forks. when I set it up I tightened the adjuster nut until the steering just started to get tight and then backed it off slightly until the steering moved smoothly.
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Post by Stratman »

you do, it could be a bit of movement in the pads or the discs on the rotors.
I'll second that
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