CCM 604

alan · Post by **alan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:07 am

Anyone owned a CCM 604 the rotax engined ones,off to look at one tomorrow oh today i mean its late. Any bad points to look for.

Post by **firestorm996** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 9:07 am

I've not owned one, but have known several owners. Electrics can be a prolem on certain model years, and they can look tatty if not looked after. The rotax lump seems to be pretty reliable as long as (a) you use good old mineral oil (anything thinner ie semi-synthetic will lead to oil supply problems to the bottom end and eventually it will either start knocking or let go. and (b) don't spend too much time running the bike flat-out as that can also lead to main bearing or big end failure.

VTRSteve owned a 604, he may be able to give you more info if he logs on in time but these are the only major problems I've heard people speak of.

alan · Post by **alan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:43 am

Cheers m8 i've heard about the oil supply probs before but just wanted to know if any other major problems regarding the engine.

thanks again Alan

vtrsteve · Post by **vtrsteve** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 11:23 am

A very agricultural bike which is good cos I stripped and rebuilt mine down to every last nut and bolt with limited mechanical knowledge and tools , pretty heavy for off road use. I had issues with electrics relating to the ignition switch making it hard to start (I couldn't kick it over either!) The clutch tends to be a problem, mine dragged badly most of the time making it hard to get neutral when stopping at junctions etc. Cosmetically they tend to have paint missing around the footpeg area where boots rub on the frame, engine cases etc.

I blew the main bearings on good mineral oil but it had some real abuse over the mountain at the tt2003 followed by a trackday at Oulton(fast group!) so probably self induced. I had a full rebuild done by Denver motorcycles at a cost of Â£500. Don't expect big power, mine only made 48bhp with a number of small mods inc a performance camshaft. Parts are easy to get from Haines down in Cinderford.

As for riding, a lot of fun but most definitely shortish runs only cos it's pretty uncomfortable after a while. Certainly not the fastest thing out there and even gearing it up made no difference to the top speed - about 90-95 flat out. Respectable tank range, on a par with the storm ie 90miles with normal riding, down to 60ish riding like a nutter. It'll easily keep up with faster stuff on the twistys but I got annoyed at trying to keep up on the fast a roads.

I'd say a definite try before you commit to buying - try to blag a test ride at a dealer as I did. If the bike has both on and off road wheels then be sure all the correct spacers etc are there too. Supermoto wheels are hard to get without spending silly money if it's just got the knobblies so factor that into the price if you want to use it mainly on the road.

Not sure I'd have another now......

alan · Post by **alan** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:57 pm

Hi Steve the ccm is going for silly money the guys a student and he's skint said he wouuld sell for 1100 o.n.o i got him down to 960 without even seeing the bike, i'm off today at 3 oclock

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ccm-604-supermoto ... dZViewItem

other than the ccm theres a husky 610 the twin underseat pipeversion im off to look at at 5.30

thanks Alan

chaz · Post by **chaz** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 2:58 pm

the 604 Rotax motor is normally bullet proof, its faults lied with mainatinance. the basic power plant was the same as used on the Armstrong , ATK, and CCM and Army bikes .
the motors are allways in demand for use in classic and twin shock mx bikes.

if you want reliability for not much more money look at the 644 CCM with the Suzuki SV motor in. If you look this way then have a real good check on the cylinder base gasket as they weep then you get a spray mist from the back, ours was done under warranty.

by the way, the 604 CAN be taken out to in the region of 700 thats serious cubes for a single

VTR_Andy · Post by **VTR_Andy** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 7:23 pm

Not sure about the bike but his missus looks like she might be worth going to have a look at ;)

vtrsteve · Post by **vtrsteve** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:07 pm

At that sort of money you can't go wrong with both sets of wheels etc....... I paid Â£3400 for mine in 2003 from a dealer.

alan · Post by **alan** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 1:54 am

Well i'm the proud owner of a CCM 604 just got in about 12.30 am Monday

after going there for 3.00 pm Sunday

our lass got pissed with his lass and what a laugh,great people and the amount of spares i get is unbelievable pick it up on Friday.

It needs a little tlc but i still think its a bargain.

Thanks again for your help Alan

chaz · Post by **chaz** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:09 pm

nice buy then, there are a network of dealers out there, the original CCM pre Fogarty is now back and can help with most things. Foggys lot were of little help only interested in shipping out new ones with deals on wheels.
In our area the 'dealers' no longer stock them and dont want to know. One of the Best is Haines http://www.hainesmc.co.uk/ the guys there are good on them.

alan · Post by **alan** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 12:38 pm

Thanks Chaz
the bike needs a little tlc like i said but for the money you can't go wrong, if i broke the bike and sold all bits i'm sure i would make more.

Extras include (spares)

The bike has Excell Rims Gold Talon Hubs on brand new Metzler rubber
Excell Enduro wheels with rubber
1 spare wp shock
2 new front discs floating
New in box front brembo caliper
3 New Talon caliper mounts (billet alloy)
1 new chain 1 old chain
New plug
4 new boxes of taper roller bearings
Various throttle cables/cluth cables
4 front mudgaurds
4 rear side panels
hand gaurds
7 different size talon rear sprockets
a few sets of tyres which look alittle worn
air filter
fuel filter
clutch plates
light kit with all the original switch gear
Spare Delorto carb

the list goes on cant remember anything else

just a question for you it has the decompression lever on the bars and how they was starting it was

pull the lever in then turn the kickstart till a (if you look in the see through chamber it looks like a white coloured efergy

is at TDC then kick the bike over and it starts.

if you dont set this white coloured thing at tdc it wont start

whats all that about????????????

thanks Alan

VTRbob · Post by **VTRbob** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 7:48 pm

all them different size sprockets must be for the different super moto tracks its been raced on

....you have wind it over tdc to stop it kicking back & breaking your foot

alan · Post by **alan** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 11:17 pm

VTRbob wrote:all them different size sprockets must be for the different super moto tracks its been raced on ....you have wind it over tdc to stop it kicking back & breaking your foot

Dont say that Bob hope i ant bought a duffer

like we said the other day if i break it and part it out i'll probably be quids in

LotusSevenMan · Post by **LotusSevenMan** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 6:48 am

Alan

With all those parts it hardly says "I was a bike only used on weekends to potter around my local woods" now does it!!!! I mean the bike has CCM (Clues Competition Machinery) on it so ???
Nothing wrong with a well thrashed bike that has been well maintained if the right price etc.
Have fun 'fixing' it to the std you expect.
Mind you that'll make it unrecognisable from this starting point!
Don't forget to take lots of before and after pics

LSM

alan · Post by **alan** » Tue Jun 12, 2007 1:07 pm

Hi Chris yes i see what you mean but the owner is only 20 no licence is a chemistry student and only used it on the fields for a bit with the intention of doing his test but he his skint,his Dad wasnt happy he bought it either so i think he has forced him to sell aswell.

Like i said it does look untidy but has alot of gear with it and it probably has been raced but

it is a project bike for me and your absolutely right it wont look the same for long