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Hmm..some of the points above just reinforce how wrong the benefit system is in this country.

I really do feel sorry for those that are in genuine need, because the state doesnt pay enough to help you when you need it. If Sarah and I lost our jobs now we would be screwed. Sarah has a loan from a few years ago and we have credit cards and stuff like that. Not masses of debt, but we usually pay around £300-400 a month paying bits off. If we suddenly couldnt pay that we would end up with CCJs which to people who have nothing and never will have anything (other than a new big TV on finance) doesnt mean much. But to people like the majority of people in this country, it would cause major problems.

I really feel bad for single mothers too, not the ones who get knocked up at 16 simply to get a council house and more benefits (like my ex girlfriend's sister), but the ones through no fault of theirs are left with HUGE child care bills which most normal salaries wouldnt cover.

But there is definitely an underclass of people in this country who just dont care, and are happy to sit and sponge and expect everything for nothing. These people on the radio the other night talking as though Sky TV, cigarettes and alcohol were a human right.

What's wrong with giving them food and water and shelter but no more, no cash to buy booze or fags or gamble. Sort of like food stamps or some other idea where you get a voucher for things you need that cant be sold on for cash. If you're obviously never going to work, then why should you get the nice things that everyone else has to work for?

One major problem in this country is the simple fact that we have lost our manufacturing base and the employment that went with it, along with its subsiduarys, like the car industry, leyland may well have assembled the cars and made some components, but a hell of a lot was contracted out so when it goes for whatever reason, they all fall.
Bikes, cars, ships, steel industry, coal, all these and a lot more have gone blame that on what, or who you want, now the population has gone up, we have a major influx of european workers, (i work with lots of them they put us to shame, no complaining just graft for a fair days pay) things dont balance out any more, and no i'm not a bleeding heart left wing liberal, probably some where to the right of Gengis Khan but with a social outlook, you have to have a safety net for when things go wrong, and you cant expect a man whos worked with his hands for 30 years to retrain on a whim to work with computers or similar, sorry people ranting now ! just seen so many changes most just for the sake of it or to further some politicians career with no real thought for the little man at the bottom.
People end up unemployed, and if they cant find the routine of work within six months or so, they find the routine of no work, lose confidence and its so difficult to go back

Miztaziggy wrote:
But there is definitely an underclass of people in this country who just dont care, and are happy to sit and sponge and expect everything for nothing. These people on the radio the other night talking as though Sky TV, cigarettes and alcohol were a human right.

What's wrong with giving them food and water and shelter but no more, no cash to buy booze or fags or gamble. Sort of like food stamps or some other idea where you get a voucher for things you need that cant be sold on for cash. If you're obviously never going to work, then why should you get the nice things that everyone else has to work for?

well said mate, makes my blood boil that near my daughters school there's a family living in a 4 bed council house, that the council converted to a 5 bed last year cause she popped out another kid! bringing the total to 7!!! the bloke dont work as he has some sort of "i cant go outside syndrome" every tuesday there's a tesco wagon outside delivering all the shopping! and every night she's outside the school chain smoking! the bit that makes me piss is the blue badge car for her hubby! FFS the one with the "i cant leave the house syndrome"

and yes give em vouchers!!

now im off in the garage for a smoke and a guinness! while looking at the R1 and the RSVR, then tomorrow i'll jump in the truck and see how the garage is getting on repairing the skoda, maybe have a chinese too..... cause i've fricking WORKED for it, even after getting kicked out of school at 15 with no exam's, i've had shite job's and good job's but always had a JOB!!

makes my effin' blood boil about these travellers and their illegal site in essex.

Complaining about being homeless and not getting housing benefit etc etc. You can't have all things all the time and expect to sh1t on people and society and then complain about how unfair everything is and act like a special case in the law. If you're travellers, travel, half those 'caravans' look more like semi-permanent homes. taking the piss and i'm a pretty liberal kind of guy but this angers me.

marravtr wrote:

Miztaziggy wrote:
But there is definitely an underclass of people in this country who just dont care, and are happy to sit and sponge and expect everything for nothing. These people on the radio the other night talking as though Sky TV, cigarettes and alcohol were a human right.

What's wrong with giving them food and water and shelter but no more, no cash to buy booze or fags or gamble. Sort of like food stamps or some other idea where you get a voucher for things you need that cant be sold on for cash. If you're obviously never going to work, then why should you get the nice things that everyone else has to work for?

well said mate, makes my blood boil that near my daughters school there's a family living in a 4 bed council house, that the council converted to a 5 bed last year cause she popped out another kid! bringing the total to 7!!! the bloke dont work as he has some sort of "i cant go outside syndrome" every tuesday there's a tesco wagon outside delivering all the shopping! and every night she's outside the school chain smoking! the bit that makes me piss is the blue badge car for her hubby! FFS the one with the "i cant leave the house syndrome"

and yes give em vouchers!!

now im off in the garage for a smoke and a guinness! while looking at the R1 and the RSVR, then tomorrow i'll jump in the truck and see how the garage is getting on repairing the skoda, maybe have a chinese too..... cause i've fricking WORKED for it, even after getting kicked out of school at 15 with no exam's, i've had shite job's and good job's but always had a JOB!!

Can't disagree with any of that!

Trouble is were run by a goverment that always wants the big 50" flat screen even if they carnt afford it, as they dont pay for it. . IE, £32billion on a train that wount alter commerce in any way . only make it quicker for the rich to get about again.
Here they are making cut back due to other partys spending money, then bugger if they dont go and do the same. This is the real world were talking about here, whole wolrd has had enogh of this crap they keep telling us. WILL BLOW UP IN THE END ,

my missus was out of work for 6 or 7 months and because she had a mortgage and a house and small savings, less than 4k, the dole office treated her like a thief. never mind the 25 odd years paying tax and working all the shifts as a nurse.

i think when you have to go for benefits/help it would be nice if they took your NI number and could see what you have allready contributed before they tell you you cant have anything back out!

notwithstanding all that i do have great sympathy for people who are out of work and are looking for it. i also think with our present govt that people working at the lower end of the scale will find it harder and harder with worker rights being eroded.

i would also like to know what constitutes a "minimum wage " job?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14761421

Millions of malnourished 'go unnoticed'

It is unbelievable that in the UK today there are more than 3m people either malnourished or at risk of malnutrition.

What is alarming is that 93% of these patients are not in hospital but are living in the community.

Its said that being a child or old and not working in the UK , to the goverment you are totally useless as they dont get any income from you and that each one costs them for you to live here.

Although what the BBC says is probably true, what they dont tell you is how they twist everything to make it sound the worst it can possibly be. They are so left wing it isnt even funny.

I can imagine people like pensioners or the really vulnerable type people being 'malnourished' just due to their inability to get out and shop for their own food properly, but in my opinion, any working age people on the dole that are malnourished are malnourished because of all the beer, kebabs and microwave food, not because they cant afford to eat right.

Sarah and I are by no means skint, but still try to live as cheaply as we can. Neither of us smoke or drink so that helps, but we buy fresh food and veg and that is always cheaper than buying ready meals and takeaways. Some of these idiots make out like it costs too much to eat fresh food and eat healty, but what they mean is, they just cant be arsed to cook.

I still stand by my idea that when you go on the dole, you dont get money, you get help with paying any essential debts that were there before the date you signed up - so that you cant go out and max a credit card on fags, but then you get vouchers for food that can only be spent on food.

pariah wrote:Its said that being a child or old and not working in the UK , to the goverment you are totally useless as they dont get any income from you and that each one costs them for you to live here.

that is true the world over

and I too believe (being a Guardian toting lefty ) that the root cause of malnourishment is not lack of food but lack of brains more like, across all classes