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Mav617 wrote:

Wicky wrote:A less than United Kingdom - Little Britain

Say goodbye Scotland and N Ireland and possibly Wales and welcome to Little England...

It gets even better! The Scots will have to join the Euro currency then and be bankrupt in 10 years. I see Sinn Fein are already calling for a united Ireland, would you welcome that Fab?

Wicky wrote:Well it was close on 50/50 in the UK - so can't see why you don't get a choice - Pretty ironic if you get told you can't have your own referendum.

tony.mon wrote:Well, the referendum has established one thing- 48.1 % of the population are whinging bad losers who only believe in democracy when it suits them.
You could always apply for dual nationality and/or move abroad while there is still freedom of movement in the ec, of which we are, and will remain, a part for some time.
Jeez, some people...


And don't start blaming rivers of blood, let's export the immigrants nationalist looneys, I have NO time or respect for them but they're such a tiny minority they simply don't count, or matter.
Martine Le Pen will prove this, I predict- calling for a French LeExit but they're such a minority they'll simply be ignored.

Nope, it's simply a case of a decision having been made- it's a democracy, people, grow up.
Apart from the ridiculousness of ending up with an unelected PM- well, look how effective and popular Gordon Brown-by-name-and-nature was- and he was probably the most effective Labour leader of recent times.

If only there was an effective opposition we wouldn't be ending up with Boris.
Discuss....

From the guardians comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. (Article 50 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36632579 )

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.