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chric wrote:Phone first not you though and by mobile not landline that way area code dont come up :thumbup:
Okay, will do :) I'm gonna wait until I've got the money in my hand though, as to not waste time as the amount I'm getting has been kept secret. I have no doubts I can afford it, but it's just how much I have left afterwards for some updates and modifications :lol:
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The only reason Blue is fastest is because Kev has been taking his medication which makes things appear faster. :biggrin

As for the later model. Larger tank with Honda wing decals, HISS ignition, Black brake callipers, upgraded dash with the digital fuel gauge etc, Upgraded front suspension (valves I think), 10 degree higher rise clip ons in Black, Apparently some carb mods but I'm not sure what, possibly just 48 pilot jets. Oh and the PAIR system (eco friendly emissions crap) which is why they have slightly less power :roll: Umm I think that is about it.

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Oh okay, I'm not gonna push the bike to it's very limits and bomb it down the motorway at 140-something mph anyway, the power aspect is irrelevant :L And it's gonna be stuck to 33bhp for my first year on it as well... Not that it's such a huge hindrance.. Hit triple digits on my bike earlier today overtaking my friend and bro, and that's restricted :P More to life than power. I love the look, apart from the headlight, of the VTR and how it feels to sit on :)
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cybercarl wrote: Don't forget with twin lights only one can be on dipped for MOT so probably not as good visually as in being able to see. Stupid law that, I never have understood the concept behind having only one dipped light.
Not so, That was an EU thing years ago, nothing to do with our MOT, loads of bikes have twin lights on dip aswell as high beam, a few examples; Yam FZ1, Honda VFR800 vtec, Aprilia RSV ect, ect. Strangely Triumph still go for one light for dip, looks odd and the lights aren't as good as they could be.
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Wasn't the post-01 model fitted with slightly upgraded suspension anyway, as many riders complained? That's what MCN says, but apparently some people don't trust it as much as I do :L
With a 33bhp restriction using a K&N and jetting and cost of setting up wouldn't be worth it with the washer in the carb intake, nor would there be any noticeable difference between early or late OEM setup with that output.

With the 33bhb restriction surely a 500cc bike be better - as something like a KLR650 puts that king of power at, and the storm would be lugging realively a large amount of surplus weight to hit at most 70-80mph (eventually).
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Wicky wrote:
Wasn't the post-01 model fitted with slightly upgraded suspension anyway, as many riders complained? That's what MCN says, but apparently some people don't trust it as much as I do :L
With a 33bhp restriction using a K&N and jetting and cost of setting up wouldn't be worth it with the washer in the carb intake, nor would there be any noticeable difference between early or late OEM setup with that output.

With the 33bhb restriction surely a 500cc bike be better - as something like a KLR650 puts that king of power at, and the storm would be lugging realively a large amount of surplus weight to hit at most 70-80mph (eventually).
Well I'm currently on a 600cc restricted and it weighs about 15-20kg less than the storm and can hit triple digits on good days. The original plan was to stick with my current bike for a short while, but the storm is cheaper to insure next year than my current bike (god knows why..) and it's my dream bike. All the restrictor does is limit the amount of fuel going into the carbs to that which would be going in on a 250cc bike, so 125cc's into each cylinder.. Until the higher revs this makes absolutely no difference, and the entire point of V-Twins is low down power from the torque no? So it should still be fine mostly :P I've spoken with the local Honda garage about it and they reckon it will still hit high 90's if I really want it to
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TBH the PAIR (emissions control) makes such little difference it's only noticeable on paper. It's all about how you ride anyway.

Stick me on my VTR and Rossi on a 125 and he will still beat me :lol:
Not so, That was an EU thing years ago, nothing to do with our MOT, loads of bikes have twin lights on dip aswell as high beam, a few examples; Yam FZ1, Honda VFR800 vtec, Aprilia RSV ect, ect. Strangely Triumph still go for one light for dip, looks odd and the lights aren't as good as they could be.
I stand corrected then. The reason I thought it was an MOT thing is because my Fazer 600 fails with the two lights linked on dip. It must because it was designed for only one then. Thanks for clearing that up :thumbup:

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in my opinion a storm is not an ideal first time bike, my local bike shop has a storm that ended up in a ditch due to it being in the hands of a new rider. please be clear that im not patronising its just my opinion I had an SRAD gsxr 600 for 6 years before going for the storm if you ride it hard its not as forgiving as a 600 you have to be confident in your ability ect. if your in a lower gear than needed and give it a hand full the power to the back wheel is instant and could be messy on a bend or roundabout. :!: I would wait till you've had your current bike upto full power then consider the storm even if you have to pay more for insurance for a year its better than another storm in a ditch. :think:

I was more intrested in an SV1000 than a storm but after test riding both the storm won hands down for me. one thing that takes some getting used too when going from a revy 600 to a v twin is that on a twin I was regularly going faster than I should be as you feel that your not going as fast cause you can be doing 90mph in 6th and all your hearing is a low rumble from the engine, instead of the buzzing of a whiny 4, quite often I would look at the speedo and think 'this bike is going to lose me my licence' :!: (then back off a bit) :lol:

I have had my storm over a year now and it makes me grin every time I go out on it, im sorting a few things over the next few weeks one thing on the list is the linear springs to the front forks as someone has mentioned it bottoms out quite easily no matter how you adjust the settings. I did the composory R/R and manual ccts as soon as i got it :thumbup:
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Diabolus wrote:in my opinion a storm is not an ideal first time bike, my local bike shop has a storm that ended up in a ditch due to it being in the hands of a new rider. please be clear that im not patronising its just my opinion I had an SRAD gsxr 600 for 6 years before going for the storm if you ride it hard its not as forgiving as a 600 you have to be confident in your ability ect. if your in a lower gear than needed and give it a hand full the power to the back wheel is instant and could be messy on a bend or roundabout. :!: I would wait till you've had your current bike upto full power then consider the storm even if you have to pay more for insurance for a year its better than another storm in a ditch. :think:

I was more intrested in an SV1000 than a storm but after test riding both the storm won hands down for me. one thing that takes some getting used too when going from a revy 600 to a v twin is that on a twin I was regularly going faster than I should be as you feel that your not going as fast cause you can be doing 90mph in 6th and all your hearing is a low rumble from the engine, instead of the buzzing of a whiny 4, quite often I would look at the speedo and think 'this bike is going to lose me my licence' :!: (then back off a bit) :lol:

I have had my storm over a year now and it makes me grin every time I go out on it, im sorting a few things over the next few weeks one thing on the list is the linear springs to the front forks as someone has mentioned it bottoms out quite easily no matter how you adjust the settings. I did the composory R/R and manual ccts as soon as i got it :thumbup:
I understand where you're coming from, but what's probably going to happen is I'm going to spent several nights a week for at least a fortnight in an empty car park at nights just doing manouevres on the storm as well to get used to it. Jumping from a 125 to a 600 was no small step either, so I spent ages in car parks learning the bike and how it reacted to what I did before I even took it out the shed myself. I'm also not a fan of just twisting the throttle fully anyway, I usually twist it slowly and progressively. It's not all about the power and speed and how fast you get there :) But if it does turn out that I can't quite control the storm comfortably or something, then it probably will be stowed away for another year being used occasionally by family but not me. I'm not gonna go mental on it, I ride well within my ability (I hope!) and if I didn't feel comfortable cruising at 80 on the motorway or going into roundabouts with a bit more speed than is advised, I won't do it. I'd build my confidence up in my skills before I do anything on it.

Well, my IL4 cruises at about 5000rpm in 6th at 90mph, out of 15000rpm so it's not really that whiney? I suppose it's all down to getting used to the bike, I used to have to stare at my speedo every time I saw a road speed sign and then about every 20 seconds thereafter but once you grow used to the bike you can just feel how fast you're going anyway and so you adjust accordingly..

I'm not a boy racer, I'm not going to use it like a cheaper to insure fireblade ;) I ride how I feel comfortable, the second I feel uncomfortable with what I'm doing I'll stop as soon as safely possible in a layby or service station or whatever and just have a drink and snack for 45 minutes- hour to cool my nerves and think about what I just did :)
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Nothing wrong with a firestorm as a first big bike (actually 2nd in your case :wink: ) now if you were getting something like an Aprilia rsv i'd say thats not a good first bike !, the storm is a soft bike thats easy to get on with although can be made into something much better with a few tweaks and mods. For a relative newby i'd say be carefull on downshifts, do them too early or agresively and the rear wheel will lock up a bit, planned is best. Do the fork springs if nothing else especially if getting an early one as they dip and rise mid corner with only a little throttle causing you to run wide, linear is best imo. the later 19ltr tank model has slightly better forks that you could live with but can still be improved. the cct's are a preventative measure, i've had miy latest one a while now and the cct's are std but i'll be doing a stopper mod before the spring.
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popkat wrote:Nothing wrong with a firestorm as a first big bike (actually 2nd in your case :wink: ) now if you were getting something like an Aprilia rsv i'd say thats not a good first bike !, the storm is a soft bike thats easy to get on with although can be made into something much better with a few tweaks and mods. For a relative newby i'd say be carefull on downshifts, do them too early or agresively and the rear wheel will lock up a bit, planned is best. Do the fork springs if nothing else especially if getting an early one as they dip and rise mid corner with only a little throttle causing you to run wide, linear is best imo. the later 19ltr tank model has slightly better forks that you could live with but can still be improved. the cct's are a preventative measure, i've had miy latest one a while now and the cct's are std but i'll be doing a stopper mod before the spring.


nb, i had decided not to sell mine but due to a new business venture (bike workshop) i will probably be putting a for sale sign on it when shop opens, would like to keep it but if a willing buyer comes along i might not be able to say no...If you want a very good, sorted, low milage F2 model give me a shout, pictures are in the for sale section somewhere from a while back. It's not going to be some winter bargain though, just an option if you interested, as said happy to keep it if i can :thumbup:
I've looked at the thread for it, it is an incredibly nice and tidy bike you have there. However it is quite far out of my price range unforuntately, and it's clear you've put a lot of work into it and so I wouldn't want to be the person who takes it from you :oops:
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No problems mate, I want to keep it if i can anyway, everything has a price though :lol:
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popkat wrote:No problems mate, I want to keep it if i can anyway, everything has a price though :lol:
That's true, fingers are crossed for you keeping it. It's a very nice example of a very nice bike, in appearance at the very least
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Just thought of a stupid question, does the '01 updated model still require a manual choke? Or is it automatic? :)
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Virt wrote:Just thought of a stupid question, does the '01 updated model still require a manual choke? Or is it automatic? :)
Still carbed so I#m pretty sure its the same.......unless they moved it ??
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manual choke.

Here a link with all the info on what Honda upgraded.
http://www.burniemorgan.com/firestorm/vtr2001.html

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cybercarl wrote:
manual choke.

Here a link with all the info on what Honda upgraded.
http://www.burniemorgan.com/firestorm/vtr2001.html

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Okay, it's the "Minor carb and ignition mods" that confused me slightly. I'm just a fool, thanks a lot :)
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