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Well we all know by now that if you’re over the speed limit by 20mph now it’s an instant 6 points

Well we were talking about this at work
I took the its going to be another way of extracting more money out of you argument.

One of my workmates takes the there trying to clear the roads by banning every one point of view.

The other comes out with a totally different way of looking at it
His point of view is that if 10,000 crimes are reported it a county in a year and out of them you’d be lucky if 30% are solved then there’s 7000 unsolved crime or 70% is unsolved.
Then there must be at least 100,000 NIP’s sent out to drivers each year in the same area and because drivers are so easy to trace and convict probably 99% of drivers are then reported then convicted with no hassle to the courts or police, then there’s only 1000 reported and unsolved NIP’s.
If you add the two figures together 10,000 true crimes and the 100,000 speeding crimes and subtract the unsolved crimes IE (100,000 + 10,000) – (7000 + 1000)
You end up with out of 110,000 crimes only 8000 are unsolved so a headline clean up rate is improved dramatically. Unfortunately it also means the more convictions for motoring offences they can get the better the clean up rate and the extra cash they can extort out of you is just a bonus

I know the figures are for instances but it made me think as the government never seems to release the actual figures for say accidents caused directly by speeding they say things like speeding is a factor in 1/3 of accidents when what really happened is at the time of the accident the vehicle was travelling over the speed limit for that road and the speed may not have had a influence on the accident at all

How long do you reckon before there;s a 100BHP limit on bikes in this country (as a safety measure which will of course reduce motorcycling accidents)? Owners of bikes >100BHP will be required to hand them in at their nearest Polite Station, where they'll be handed an IOU for £50 by way of compensation (to be honoured when the credit crisis is resolved).

ChrisH

This is a bit like the governments "speed related accidents)
If a vehicle crashes at 100mph it is recorded as a SPEED RELATED ACCIDENT
If a milk float scratches you car going down the road at 2mph and it's reported to the police, guess what it is still recored as A SPEED RELATED ACCIDENT, because the milk float was moving at SPEED.
SPEED RELATED ACCIDENTS are the governments arguments for all the speed cameras etc

Rip off the motorist they are an easy target

Timbo,
If they are going to take that line, then I think it will be time to leave this once good country of ours and head somewhere else.
They drop vat by 2.5% and expect us to jump up and down cheering, then before we can work out if we might benefit, they put the cost of fuel up

Cheers

A.M.

Sorry to be contentious, but if someone persistently drives or rides at 50mph in a residential 30mph area, I think that 6 points is wholly justified!

As for the motorway, well, that's 90, obviously. If you get caught the penalty for >85 has always been a court appearance anyway iirc. Assuming we all travel at or in excess of this at times, I for one have never been stopped in such circumstances, so I can't see what the difference is tbh?

Also, the proposal was to REDUCE the points from 3 to 2 for minor speeding offences, such as 34 in a 30. Surely that's a good thing?

This country has got it wrong big time, yes misuse of the speed in relation to conditions are bad hence speed related, speeding persay does not kill poor driving skills do, roll on laws as in new Zealand can take 3 years to get a license for driving, doing skid pans and limited driving etc. On occasion the motorway are to slow, on the other urban limits are to high this needs to be addressed to satisfy all IMO

Timbo wrote: I dont do politics but in this sort of situation i really do think we need a tory government.

I disagree with that Timbo.
Not getting at you Tim, just my opinion.
If you cast your mind back to when the Tories were in power, just remember we had 'Black Wednesday' when interest rates reached an almighty 15%

Also I feel we are paying for the Tory doings now. It was good old Maggie Thatcher if you remember who sold off all the affordable housing for the lower paid You probably remember them, they were called Council Houses. Then it was time to sell off most of our Countries assets such as The Water Board, The Electric companies, The Railways, Car manufactures etc etc etc, anything that could be privatised basically was.

Instead IMHO what they should have been doing was getting rid of the top managers who couldn't do their jobs properly, then replace them with people who could make these companies profitable. You can't say that was impossible because that's what they are doing now making money. The only difference is instead of the profits being ploughed back into our Country it now goes to the shareholders

To me selling off the Countries assets is a bit like a car salesman, if he sells all his cars then spends all the money he's finished. That's exactly what the Tories did, sold off the Countries assets and spent the money now were paying for it

OK rant over

Sorry Warby a bit off topic I know

Chris.

sirch345 wrote:what they should have been doing was getting rid of the top managers who couldn't do their jobs properly, then replace them with people who could make these companies profitable. You can't say that was impossible because that's what they are doing now making money. The only difference is instead of the profits being ploughed back into our Country it now goes to the shareholders

Chris.

some fair points raised but I would've thought the Unions must take some responsibility for unprofitability pre-Thatcher

Got to disagree with some of whats been said. I fail to see why 80mph in a 60mph (favourable weather/road/no hazards) is such a big deal I shudder to think that if I am caught twice in a 3 yr period I could be banned! The national speed limit roads that are the bikers heaven are sometimes very wide and straight with no junctions to cause emerging hazards. The only possible hazard would be the local constabulary playing stealth camera games behind hay bales (seen it twice near Sleaford ).

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

[quote="Timbo"]

Aye, and in 2 or 3 years when they start clawing it all back through income tax, those earning over £40k will be clobbered, and i do mean clobbered.



I'll be ok then......by far

Beamish wrote:Got to disagree with some of whats been said. I fail to see why 80mph in a 60mph (favourable weather/road/no hazards) is such a big deal I shudder to think that if I am caught twice in a 3 yr period I could be banned! The national speed limit roads that are the bikers heaven are sometimes very wide and straight with no junctions to cause emerging hazards. The only possible hazard would be the local constabulary playing stealth camera games behind hay bales (seen it twice near Sleaford ).

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

Unfortunately we can't trust people to be sensible at the right time. If we were all sensible reasonable honest people we wouldn't need any laws. Sadly a large majority of the population are selfish senseless dishonest tossers thats why we need laws and you can't choose which ones you want to abide by either obey the laws (all of them) or take your chance on getting nicked. As they say "if you can't do the time don't do the crime"
If you want to take the chance of getting nicked DON'T WHINGE ABOUT IT when it happens.

Sorry if you think this is a whinge, my view is that by making 6 points the standard for a 20mph over the limit offence it would leave the police nowhere to go if you are pulled. They would be pretty much forced into issuing the fixed penalty no matter what the circumstances. I am sorry if you think someone expressing a view requires you to SHOUT COMMENTS BACK AT THEM

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