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Student Protests

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:48 pm
by Stratman
Underpaid soldiers returned from Afghanistan clearing the snow in Scotland to say thanks for the support.
Thugs vandalising central London because they want these soldiers taxes to pay for their "education"
Hmmm....................

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:18 pm
by Seeker 77
Don't get me started mate, you already know what i am going to say ;)

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:42 pm
by SWAGGER
Why did they ever disband the SPG ..... they'd sort these f*ckers out. No pussyfooting about. Bust a few heads. Any of these 'students' that get caught in the act should be made aware that their academic achievements will be worth two bits of f*ck all whilst coupled with a criminal record.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:14 pm
by Kev L
The saddest bit for me was seeing the disrespect at the cenotaph. I can understand, to a degree, the anger but where the f*ck do they think their freedom to demonstrate came from?
By the way the SPG went south following Southall 79 and Blair Peach.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:42 pm
by Wicky
Soldiers ordered to clear the streets cos they follow orders - media adds a nice jolly spin to the moving pictures (note how in moving pics soldiers are seen shoveling snow back and forth in camera view)

Students protesting cos soldiers fought/fight for the students right right to protest ;-) How do you feel when Iranian student 'thugs' protest for pro-democracy?

Iranian police in attack on pro-democracy protest as thousands of students take to the streets after internet crackdown

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... z17ktGydI9

Stratman wrote:Underpaid soldiers returned from Afghanistan clearing the snow in Scotland to say thanks for the support.
Thugs vandalising central London because they want these soldiers taxes to pay for their "education"
Hmmm....................

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:38 am
by benny hedges
still is bullshit tho what theyre on about... doesnt happen in any other country, putting your kids in debt i mean.
take for example the tens of thousands of fereign students who come to this country to study, then crouton off when they graduate... do they have t pay back their fees?
i can understand being asked to pay for a 2nd or 3rd course but education should be a free right imo or this country goes back to the dark age.
next it will be the nhs, pay as you go like the shambolic dental service.
(uk have the worst teeth in europe)
face it, this country is wombles, has been for years.

you think the student protest is aggressive? wait til vat goes up to 25% in a few years, more job cuts, less services, fuel prices double what they are now, immigration out of control, introduction of sharia law...
i hope there is a major public uprising tbh - been a long time coming.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:00 am
by Fireman on a Storm
Just a thought!
Soldiers at war, students protesting over fees!

Who are the people causing soldiers to be sent to war, our heros being kill. Who are the peolpe putting up student fees

MPs and the government. The people who went through the education and university system WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FEES and getting student grants to help with thier costs.
Now these politicians are in government and opposition after their "free" education they are making everyone pay through the nose and our armed forces pay with their lives.

Should we be directing our anger at them?

From the info we hear at work from the police 95% of the people protesting are genuine students. Rent a thug are getting stuck in for the sake of having a fight!

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 9:56 am
by tony.mon
As it happens, my daughter went up to Parliament (House of Commons, House of Lords and Royal Courts of Justice in the Strand) yesterday, but on a school sixth-form trip as she's doing law. Met the local MP, and grilled him over this for forty minutes, got nowhere, obviously, but at least now she understands how politicians won't answer a straight question.

The point she was making is this:

1: The demographics show that there's an increasing elderly population, a proportion of which will need care and support from the state, and due to various governmental policies almost no-one outside civil servant/local authority jobs are saving enough for a proper level of pension these days, and so will be relying on the state for support as they get older, leading to a higher burden for the country over the next ten/twenty/thirty years.

2: Current Governmental policy is having the effect of restricting the opportunity of people who are leaving school over the next few years to be able to go to Uni. Some families cannot afford the current cost of supporting a child through the system, where they are mostly only paying for upkeep, rent, living expenses, alcohol and drugs, and a smaller amount for fees. If the fees increase, this becomes more of a burden, and in some cases will mean that the child's family cannot support them to go.

3: This situation is made worse by the dire state of the economy, and the risk/actuality of unemployment affecting the family, coupled with increases in living costs and VAT, no income from savings, and with the single exception of tracker mortgages, increases in borrowing costs of all kinds.

4: So more economic burden for the country, meaning that taxation pressures on the Government are likely to result in further revenue-raising initiatives, due to higher need for Government funds but less people attaining a proper level of education and earning good salaries, with less jobs available.

A classic Keyensian supply and demand situation, and we can all see the likely outcome.

The funny thing is that the current students are less likely to be affected by this than the next generation, still currently in school,who will find that for the next ten years or so (barring a complete reversal in policy) a Uni education is unaffordable for many more families than is currently the case.

Why do I feel strongly about this? I have twin 16yo's, who aren't that likely to go to Uni at the moment, and that'll affect the rest of their lives.
And assuming that I live long enough, (because I am hoping that they will be able to contribute towards the costs of my eventual old age care), mine and my wife's lives as well.


So although I condemn the means and methods of student protest, I support the protests, as I think that the current crop of politicians are looking at short term solutions leading to mid and long-term problems.

But aren't all student protests more harshly treated by authorities the world over than if they were made by middle-aged or older people? Think of France, America, China, etc.

Sorry for the rant, :oops: I suppose it's a bit of Nimbyism, as I'm mostly concerned about the situation from my own family's perspective.

She can copy and paste this for her homework, and send it to our MP!

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 11:10 am
by Stratman
Students protesting cos soldiers fought/fight for the students right right to protest ;-) How do you feel when Iranian student 'thugs' protest for pro-democracy?
I fully support people's rights to protest. I don't agree with the Government and the fact that it will deter students from poor backgrounds.

To equate Iran with the UK is just stupid.

Thuggery is thuggery and there is no excuse.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 1:29 pm
by Twinpotter
Well the idoit ladyboy Gilmour junior certainly didn't do the cause any favours. I hope his old man gives him a brick in the wallet.

So not only are we expected to take a decade of a thousand cuts in order that the govt can bail out the banksters toxic and fraudulent debt (it's still going on), we also ask the next generation and even those not yet born to pay for it.

The ponzi scheme is ongoing and something has to give. What, I couldn't say but whe it does, it won't be pretty.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:25 pm
by rob's red storm
Graduated 2008 with over 20 grands worth of student dept.
Who are the peolpe putting up student fees

MPs and the government. The people who went through the education and university system WITHOUT HAVING TO PAY FEES and getting student grants to help with thier costs
My dept is pretty much going to live with me until I retire, at the mo I pay 60 odd back a month..and get charged 80 interest! (Dont get me wrong...the interest is nothing compared to the loan amount).
When going to uni it was never really made clear that you would be in so much bloody dept wen you leave! Yeah, tell a 17 yr old they will have to take a loan of how much they now want to ask for and they will say "yeah so what". I know I didnt really realise how much dept I was going to be in until I switched Uni's. My little bro finished with over what I did.

Good luck to university lecturers in the next few years. There will be a long queue at the doll office for them when the students realise that there is absolutely no bloody point in going! People go to university so that after their 3 year course they will have learnt skills and can go into a job at a higher pay rate than those that didnt. If you need to pay back 40+ grand at the end of it whats the point???!!!????!?!?!?!?!?!?!

ps I did actually work throughout uni to pay for life's little luxuries (bikes and beer)...loan just about covered accomodation, bills, food etc.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:37 pm
by rob's red storm
.....obviously not beer and bikes at the same time......

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 4:58 pm
by Steve97
Government wont pay for uni because too many people want to go, fact.
Too many people want to go to uni because there are limited jobs and a better education will help.
Why are there limited amounts of jobs ? because we have no manufacturing industry to speak of.
Why do we not have a manufacturing base any more ?
Unions with too much power.
Management that couldnt run a bath.
Sucsesive self serving Governments that dont really care about you, your future, or our Country.
Lack of funding for R and D
The list is endless

We used to make every thing you could think of , if we didnt make it ,we supplied the bits, failing that we supplied the raw materials.

This is not 100 years ago,am only 53 and can remember Bikes, Cars, Planes,Trains, Ships,Trucks, and a whole host of other stuff from washing machines to chocolate bars

I never looked at this untill recently, i just went along thinking about me ,my familly, mortgage, year after year, and ignorance is bliss !

Get an education, do a degree in Astro phyisics, and work in a call centre, McDonalds, or the service industry as its all called.

Come on people if we made stuff and made it competative, only the people that should go to uni would. if you want more than the standard A level education pay for it. it belittles the title of degree,every f...ers got one even me and yes i paid.

Sorry ranting now.......cabin fever......clean bike.......not more snow......i may be some time.......

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:10 pm
by Steve97
And another thing, Soldiers do what there told, Snow shifting,Fighting fires,Policing,whatever the boss says,even shooting there own countrymen if it comes down to it, i know cause i was one.

Re: Student Protests

Posted: Sun Dec 12, 2010 5:19 pm
by Wicky
...and equating students with soldiers in the starting topic isn't?

If you read any military history or current news you will find the armed forces of most, if not all, inc UK have been quite capable uniformed 'legitimate' thugs. WW2 for example was full of tit-for-tat atrocities i.e. The Canadians didn't take many prisoners after June/July...
Stratman wrote:
Students protesting cos soldiers fought/fight for the students right right to protest ;-) How do you feel when Iranian student 'thugs' protest for pro-democracy?
I fully support people's rights to protest. I don't agree with the Government and the fact that it will deter students from poor backgrounds.

To equate Iran with the UK is just stupid.

Thuggery is thuggery and there is no excuse.