New Bike Test Rules 600cc

[vtryorks]

This wont affect anyone on here directly but....

Rumour has it (on good authority I might add)

From the end of next year, the DAS test will need to be taken on a 600cc bike. Not 599cc, 600cc or above, up to, I think 800cc.

Currently as you know its based on BHP, which in itself is stupid, imagine a learner on say, a homologated CR250. Torque is far more important at learner speeds/skill levels (in my humble opinion).

So, what on earth is this going to do to the market for the current crop of commuter/winter bikes? Massive price drops I'd reckon. The vast majority of 600's currently on sale do not meet the threshold so schools might need to get 750's.

Well, seems Yamaha are one step ahead as the new Diversion is 600c exactly.

You gotta love Europe.

Hopefully this is of some interest.

PS. DAS age is to be raised to 24, however, you'll only be allowed 800cc max. Further test required for anything more. What are they doing to biking?

[benny hedges]

idiots sat behind desks making decisions.
do they expect the motorcycle industry to change to fit their silly ruling?
like the 33hp restriction law.... does anyone even bother to do that any more?

ive noticed recently, the amount of new riders there are... compared to a few years ago there were virtually no new young riders coming to biking, lately theres an explosion!!!
in any town you can see an endless procession of new riders out on training... i saw at least 2 dozen the other day.
can only be a good thing like, probably enticed into biking due to the extortionate insurance for young car drivers these days....
more training for new riders is important, but it has to be relevant to the road and also needs to be aimed at the bikes these young riders are actually riding.
like no new rider is going to go out & buy a brand new 800cc bike (imo) most will go for say a early cbr600 or bandit 600 for a first big bike after passing their test.

the way we are dictated to by eurocrats is ridiculous... another silly law

[vtryorks]

Met a guy today who just sold his car to fund his bike lessons/bandit 600 and all the gear.

Theres no doubt, running a bike is cheaper than running a car. In almost all respects. The problem is, regulations are getting tighter and tighter. The sheer number of tests required to progress from 125 to say, 1000cc bikes is insane as of 2012 or so.

Theoritically, someone could end up doing 5 tests just to get on board a litre bike. I'm all for biking safety and indeed, some people should never be let near a powerful bike, but this whole blanket approach is just awful for people wanting to get into biking.

I'm getting mine all done sharpish.

[Miztaziggy]

Well, that just sounds silly to me. Doesnt sound like something a conservative government would do...sounds more like the nanny state liberals and lefties to me.

What in reality can anyone say they can do on a 1 litre bike that they cant on a 600? Only the absolute minority will drive a litre bike faster than a 600 could go (165+) and even 165 on a 600 is bad enough.

I think it is a law brought in by the same drivers than moan about bikes. Those who say 'oh well they appear out of no where'....well I want to say to people like that, you're a fcuking retard, with no spatial awareness, and if you cant look in your mirrors and get your fat butt out of the middle lane on the motorway, you should be banned from the road. As you can tell, I hate them.

I was talking to this girl at the weekend who was calling Sarah a prick for wanting to do her CBT and get a bike. They're too dangerous she says, you're going to get killed....never mind that this girl rides horses in shows for a living, and used to race ride or something, where some of her friends have been killed and some have been paralysed from falling off over jumps.

Why are they picking on bikes? Why not make the driving age 17 for a 1 litre car and 21 for anything more powerful, then 24 and more test for anything with a turbo or any sort of boy racer knob head car?

I honestly believe they would cut many many more accidents from the roads by raising the standard of car drivers rather than trying to minimise the number of bikers. I drive about the country for work and some of the drivers I see are appalling. People sat in the middle lane, oblivious to anything around them, people cutting corners on roundabouts when you're on the inside, people driving round the outside lane of a roundabout to turn right, people sat in the outside lane of a (usually curved) slip road onto the motorway, people who sit in a 60 doing 45, then reach a 30 and carry on at 45, oblivious to anything around them....need I go on?

Anyway, they talked about bringing in mod 1 and 2 for ages before they actually did, and even then it got held back another year as no test centres were ready for it, so dont hold your breath waiting for this...

[benny hedges]

Why are they picking on bikes? Why not make the driving age 17 for a 1 litre car and 21 for anything more powerful, then 24 and more test for anything with a turbo or any sort of boy racer knob head car?

I honestly believe they would cut many many more accidents from the roads by raising the standard of car drivers rather than trying to minimise the number of bikers..

in agreement.

& ban them from carrying unlicensed passengers until they have 2 years experience, ie can only carry someone who's passed their test also.

and get the fkin pensioners off the road - my major point in the whole fkin world.
they are the root of all evil and have free bus passes so have no reason to drive apart from their own selfishness. get them off the road ffs before they kill us all.

[vtryorks]

To be fair, I've seen some tw@ bikers too. Its all down to the individuals. Less than a month ago, I saw a bike overtake around a long blind bend, double white lines (crossing them too) heading out of Methley. There was no way for him to see what was coming, it would be insta-death if he hit anything, he was doing over 90, maybe over 100. Bikers are not blameless and I wont hide behind a fraternity and give everyone respect just because they ride. Common sense comes into it too. Bikers in my humble opinion, should be chastising each other for stupid behaviour as much as they do car drivers. A tw@, is a tw@, no matter what they are driving/riding. 180mph on parts of the the M1 on a clear day with no traffic, I'd have no problem with someone doing that.

Making it a requirement for car drivers to TRY a bike, say CBT, would really cut down on accidents. If they are too "pussy" to try, they should not be allowed to wield a 2 tonne metal box. I almost got hurt, 1ft away, on my first DAS play day, 2 weeks back. Life saver did exactly that. That was a on a roundabout in Outwood and I was going straight on, car cut in from the right hand lane and almost wiped me out, as it was, pushed me on to the shitty bit (gravel and loose surface) and I managed to control a short slide.

Was out today and the other guy doing DAS with me, well, he missed maybe 6 lifesavers throughout a 1.5 hour ride. If it had been him, hmm, well, maybe it would not have worked out so well. He wants to buy a Bandit 600 and his test is SOON. I'm actually scared for him. 2 days training is NOT enough to safely ride a bike imo, maybe thats why people get such a bad impression?

Flip side and not saying I'm a good rider or even close, but I'd happily get on a 1200 and know for sure I wasnt going to stack it the first time I see a derestriction sign, having passed a UK test or not.

On another note, I'd like to see motorway training for learners (car and bike), I've no idea of statistics but I'd take a guess that its a major problem for many truly fresh learners.

The whole thing is messed up beyond belief and no doubt, forcing a stupid CC requirement wont help.

I'd agree with a 1 litre enforcement for car drivers under a certain age, trouble is, like for bikes, it wouldnt help. 1.5 tonnes of 1 litre car is just as deadly as a 2 litre 2 tonne car to a biker.

Its a tough problem, of that there is no doubt.

I wish examiners were allowed more discretion. For example, I heard a story of a woman taking her driving theory test, what was it, like 90 times??? I mean, no question, someone THAT stupid, should never be allowed on the road, ever. Lifetime ban.

Law was originally derived from good common sense, then we involved the French.

Oops. Well at least they gave us garlic.

[Miztaziggy]

Why are they picking on bikes? Why not make the driving age 17 for a 1 litre car and 21 for anything more powerful, then 24 and more test for anything with a turbo or any sort of boy racer knob head car?

I honestly believe they would cut many many more accidents from the roads by raising the standard of car drivers rather than trying to minimise the number of bikers..

in agreement.

& ban them from carrying unlicensed passengers until they have 2 years experience, ie can only carry someone who's passed their test also.

Quite hard that tho mate, how do you ban that and let an 18 yr old single mum carry her kid in the car?

I get your point tho, ban the cocks who sit in mcdonalds car park with a car full of pikeys and chavs, then go out and drive like a retard.

[vtryorks]

Quite hard that tho mate, how do you ban that and let an 18 yr old single mum carry her kid in the car?

Teach sex education in school...

I get your point tho, ban the cocks who sit in mcdonalds car park with a car full of pikeys and chavs, then go out and drive like a retard.

That would be nice, Cathedral retail park in Wakefield is a mecca for chavved up Saxo's with more CC's in their back box than their engine