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if you were wondering about whether this is a thread about certain members on here, sorry to disappoint. Just in from the garage, drilling a few odd things and I realised my Bosch power drill is now over thirty years old and still in perfect nick really, rather like it's owner. Got me wondering whether if I bought a new one today I'd still be drilling away in thirty years time with it? Assuming I'm still alive!

BigVeeGrin wrote:if you were wondering about whether this is a thread about certain members on here, sorry to disappoint. Just in from the garage, drilling a few odd things and I realised my Bosch power drill is now over thirty years old and still in perfect nick really, rather like it's owner. Got me wondering whether if I bought a new one today I'd still be drilling away in thirty years time with it? Assuming I'm still alive!

Doubtful, seems most things these days have a built in obsolescence...Although your more likely to get a shock off the 30 year old bosch...does it have a plastic or metal body ?

i have a black and decker drill of my fathers metal body you cant kill it its at least 40 year old

Planned obsolescence that is Mac. We are all slaves to the ways even if we can see through it we are still drawn into things. No choice, no democracy, just sheep in the heard while the shepherds laugh and rake in the money.

In short to answer you question BVG....No

Tony is a pretty old tool now.

I actually think "they don't make them like that any more". I've got some very old kit that has outlived much newer stuff.

The only newer stuff far superior to the old stuff is battery powered stuff. The batteries are much better (but that's all).

Carl has it right.

being an old tool [like Tony and Kev] I like to surround myself with the same

I restored the old pillar drill that Jamie picked up from a customer...... that is early 70s and runs a treat with only the wiring being replaced and the rust cleaned off.
then I found a discarded 1974 Ransomes Marquis 20", petrol powered cyl mover in the shed at my new house. new drive chain, cleaned out the carb, washed the airfilter, changed the oil, set the points, new plug and new throttle lever and the little BSA engine runs perfectly and as it weighs a ton it leaves great stripes on your lawn.
then in the kitchen we have a 20yr old AGA, again a huge lump of enamelled cast iron with only one set and forget controller. warms the house, cooks your food, dries your clothes, makes you smile.

these were products that predate the cost cutting and planned wearout / replace cycle that we have today, they are over engineered, simple designs that are built to be stripped and serviced, parts are easy to replace and they will last forever with only basic maintenance.

perhaps I have a cast iron fetish

Planned Obsolescence has always been there since the days of the lightbulb.
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They do the same kind of thing these days with EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory) chips's

Have you ever wondered why when one goes into an old persons home why everything looks antique. They will often refuse to purchase or learn newer technology and it's not because they are stuck in their ways but because they have woken up to the ways of the corporate world. Life experience teaches them this. Lets see how many modern sports bikes outlive a Storm.

cybercarl wrote:Planned Obsolescence has always been there since the days of the lightbulb.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdh7_PA8GZU

They do the same kind of thing these days with EEPROM (electrically erasable programmable read-only memory) chips's

Have you ever wondered why when one goes into an old persons home why everything looks antique. They will often refuse to purchase or learn newer technology and it's not because they are stuck in their ways but because they have woken up to the ways of the corporate world. Life experience teaches them this. Lets see how many modern sports bikes outlive a Storm.

I agree, if you see both the CBF and the VTR next too each other apart from the aesthetics you would think the CBF is the older bike looking at the condition it's in compared to the VTR, let alone 10 years younger than the VTR. Don't get me wrong the VTR has had a sheltered life compared to the CBF being used as a commuter, but the quality difference are worlds apart.

I think the VTR was a £10 bike in it's day, where as the CBF in my GT spec was £6500, or under £6k for standard so you can understand the quality difference.

MacV2 wrote:Doubtful, seems most things these days have a built in obsolescence...Although your more likely to get a shock off the 30 year old bosch...does it have a plastic or metal body ?

Plastic - must have been super high spec/tech at the time. Got it in a huge tool shop on Lewisham High Street - and bugger me, they're still there. Shame we live in such a chuck away world in many respects. Hey ho

Scunthorpe woman who lives 1940s lifestyle

Joanna spends an average morning doing her washing using soap flakes and an old dolly tub and hasn't used a washing machine for ten years

I still have a version of Photoshop (5.1) from 2010ish as that can run a couple of useful plugins that later versions won't.

My workshop aircompressor is from the 80s and still running strong - I must give it an oil change soon! Plus in my toolbox a 3/8 10mm snap-on socket inherited from my dear ol' dad.

that's my kitchen!!!!!

In my street there's a house that's been empty & boarded up for over 25-30 years (for 15years I thought they were a just a bit reclusive as it was all hidden by tall bushes) - Finally the owner has put it up for sale,

Some interesting retro wall paper in the For Sale ad > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for ... 89914.html

Wicky wrote:In my street there's a house that's been empty & boarded up for over 25-30 years (for 15years I thought they were a just a bit reclusive as it was all hidden by tall bushes) - Finally the owner has put it up for sale,

Some interesting retro wall paper in the For Sale ad > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for ... 89914.html

Jeeze STC 145,000...

Wicky wrote:In my street there's a house that's been empty & boarded up for over 25-30 years (for 15years I thought they were a just a bit reclusive as it was all hidden by tall bushes) - Finally the owner has put it up for sale,

Some interesting retro wall paper in the For Sale ad > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for ... 89914.html

Nice retro lampshades

I have an old Black and Decker drill too. It's not as old as in an all metal body, it's about half and half (half metal and half plastic). I ought to post up a photo.

BVG, in answer to your question, no, nothing last like it used to is my experience,

Chris.