wombles knows??? help please

[seb421]

basicaly bike went down in that river / puddle on Friday, kept it running dont think it took on water, picked it up asap rode it another 4 miles to work

left it running at work for 10 mins on tick just to dry the bugger out,

rode it home after work,

left it the weekend was feeling down after the spill

come today 7pm i decided give it a wash before work, cleaned it up, then hosed it down and used a leather chamy (know that's not the correct spelling mac not arsed its gone 3am)

fired it up to dry it off bike ran fine give it a blip when it was upto temp and let it slow down again before turning it off all was as normal,

went and got my work gear on came back to the bike 10mins later

tuned it over and it was like burhhhhburvhhhhhhhhh bughhhhhhhh spluttering and struggling sounding all wrong and then it died, so im turning it over and them boom massive back fire and it dies again kept trying it but it just didn't want to know

wombles

pushed it back up the drive and used my dads blade to get to work, got home and tried the bike, this time it turned over but it was very irregular going up and down the revs on it own... like up to 1.5k then back down to 1k and a few blips above etc then it died after say 20 seconds

then i decided right one more try before i strip it tomorrow

i made a video of this one, its making a weird chinking noise on this go, don't know if the phone camera picked it up but that's the best way i can describe it

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Didint need this sh1t with it now!!!

bank looks like it will give me a Loan so i can either go get a RR7 Blade in Repsol Colours, or an SP2 White like benny's i've seen on bike trader

Was just going to possibly part ex this in stead of breaking it or pissin about with a sale via ebay etc



Any ideas? do you think its Carb trouble / fuelling or electrical etc?

[seb421]

Had the bike on the optimate, and decided have a look at the bike, strange thing is now hapening i have never noticed happen before, when you indicate you can here the clicking at the rear, this has always been normal, however now if i indicate and then stop the indicator turn the lights on and then off when i turn the switch of it starts clicking as if i was using the indicator??

sprayed the hell out of the CDI / ECU unit at the rear and other electrical connections etc i thoughts the water may have got to if it is indeed caused by that?

any way made a video of this happening to show it, never did this clicking at the back when i turned the lights on and off before so god knows what's caused this or how to cure it

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Had enough of this Storm now.

[lloydie]

Change the fuel would be my first thought .
Drain the carbs .
Get a hair drier on all the electric connectors . Dry the air filter out .
Change the oil as the oil will float on the water in the sump if it's made it in that far .

[lloydie]

Clean and dry the switch gear internals
With regards the the indicators

[seb421]

Change the fuel would be my first thought .
Drain the carbs .
Get a hair drier on all the electric connectors . Dry the air filter out .
Change the oil as the oil will float on the water in the sump if it's made it in that far .

do you think the engines wombles then if it has?

[lloydie]

Don't know it's to early and mostly I ain't got a clue lol .
But dry it out and change the fuel .
Is the oil a milky colour ?

[benny hedges]

i would say first off, if you can get it round here maybe try my indi relay?

or could just be the l/h switchgear is shitted up inside.
defo worth taking the housing apart and giving it a good spray out with brake cleaner or summat.
mine did similar - couldnt turn the indis off and headlight came on and off at random.

avoid stripping the switchgear though cos trust me, its a lot more complex than it looks

a lot of gremlins live under the tail plastics too.... very easy to get wet under there and plays havoc with the wiring.

and..... do you have a datatool alarm by any chance??? iirc you do? if so, first thing to do it check all the connections to it and if all fails, disconnect the fker.

*yup , looking at the vid, its definately your alarm mate.

suggest you set the alarm off and let it reset itself for starters. maybe try a different fob if you have one.
could just be it was badly installed with twisted bare wires and theyve got wet / corroded.

good luck - google is your friend with that one cos datatool support is fiddler.

[VTRDark]

Good advice there Benny.

Electrical is electrical, no big deal most probably needs to just dry out a bit. As Benny say's the rear end under the seat ecu etc, well known problem area. If it's not a case of drying out then it's a case of process of elimination. The flasher relay speeds up as though a bulb is blown or there are led's on the system without a resistor.

I'm more concerned with the knocking noise in the engine area. From the video my initial thought is a bit of carb spitting but it's hard to tell from vid. In your opinion is it more of an engine knock or carb area, your should be able to tell straight away as they are totally different sounds.

How much of the bike got immersed in water in the flood waters. Did the engine area get totally immersed? Did water go down inside the cans?

The thing is Seb you could get another bike, but if it has a dip in the bath like yours had you could have the same/similar problems. You introduce FI and and there is a whole load more electricery. Things to go wrong!

IMO I think it's just winding you up now and your getting pissed off with it. You need to just step back from it for a while, read some troubleshooting guides or something. Have a think about things and come back to it in a few more days. That will also give it time to dry out a bit. If you can take Benny up on his offer and have a ride over there. A good run in dry weather, getting some engine heat and air through the whole bike could make a world of difference to it.

I know how you feel mate, it sh1t when thing's go tits up like that and one can't find an easy solution. Don't let it wind you up. Blame the shitty British weather or something not the bike.

Take it easy mate.

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[tony.mon]

I think the problem is caused by an electrical switch fault, causing the indicator relay to drain current that should be going to the ignition. A short made by water in the wiring can do this; because the ignition will fire when the electrical connection to it is broken in normal use. If you have a signal going from the indicators into that ignition circuit somehow it will give a fire signal to the coils at the wrong time on occasions, as it happens to occur when the spark is meant to be happening.

So, unplug the relay, and if not too much faffing about, all of the connectors for the lights as well, at the front end as well as the rear.
Then fire the engine; it should now be fine.
If so, reconnect each connector one at a time to isolate the fault.

(you'll need to leave the engine kill switch connected, of course).

Then report back, and we'll check the next few things, fuel, carbs, and ignition modules.

[VTRDark]

So, unplug the relay, and if not too much faffing about, all of the connectors for the lights as well, at the front end as well as the rear.
Then fire the engine; it should now be fine.
If so, reconnect each connector one at a time to isolate the fault.

I like it, good advice. May I just add, disable the alarm first and try to eliminate alarm wiring problems and it might be worth disconnecting the main loom at the ecu in the tail unit. The big multi-plug, give it a squirt of contact cleaner and re connect.

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[lloydie]

See I'm always full of sh1t lol

[AMCQ46]

i cant see the vidios at work, so dont know what clues they have provided, but I would back up Lloydies 1st few comments. especially to drain teh carbs and to unplug and hairdryer all connectors.

one tip which works for drying any electrical item that has been under water [have to use it when kids dropped mobiles down the toilet!], is to split the device down as far as you can [ie remove covers and connectors] and put it in a sealed freezer bag filled with long grain rice [not cooked or left over from last nights indian meal...it has to be un cooked]. the rice absorbs all the moisture in and the phone / i-pod starts to work again!

I would do this with your Alarm ECU, the Alarm Fob, the indicator relay and any other bits that could have filled with water.

[tony.mon]

Before playing around too much, just disconnect the flasher relay and see if the engine problem goes away.

[scott02464]

With the rough running, could water have got into the spark plug area, have you whipped them (front) out to have a look?

+1 on whats been said on the The switch gear. Could water in there be making the faulty connection? Dry it all out and go from there?

I can see its pissed you off mate but just do one job on it at a time, don't get bogged down sorting it all out at once. You never know, sort one job out and it might have dried out enough for somet else to work properly (if that makes sense)

Scott

[seb421]

Well got out of bed about 1'ish and decided turn it over just see what happens, its ran alot better for like 20 or 30 seconds then started to splutter run like sh1t again,

Currently the tanks off and filter box and the back and i'm drying all the connectors i can with hair-dryer with the alarm on workshop mode i was going round disconnecting stuff and when i did the 30a Fuse the Alarm went Nuts would not go off even after i disconnected all power from positive until it's internal batt died (guess this is some sort of anti tamper thing?

so got the Two untis of the bike at the rear light and it looks like there was a fair amount of water built up in these took a good while dry out with the hair dryer

just going to make a start on the front now whipping that off and having ago at what i can

Report back soon!