Which Bike

[Virt]

no mate, seriously, you havent seen anything like it.

i clearly remember when we were all on 50s 125s and 250s etc and even then the standard of riding was worlds apart.
you'd think theyve never ridden a pushbike. absolutely zero roadcraft.
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the scary thing is, by summer they will all be riding 'little 600s' capable of 150+
why the crouton dont they go buy a 250 instead of a restricted 600? its beyond me.

there have been shitloads of binnages lately - the other week there were 4 on on day!!!
i hate to say it but this year someone is going to die.
how someone hasnt been seriously hurt yet is a fkin miracle tbh.

and theyve all got this thing about IAM. as soon as they pass their mod2 they want to do IAM.
may be just me but personally i think they should get some basic skills first!

/endofrant.

Mmm, see where your coming from. There's a couple of Year 12's on 125's at my sixth form, who ride on nothing but a CBT. I've followed some of them part way home on occasion as they head in the same direction as me and my god how they passed even a CBT is beyond me. Weaving in and out of lanes unnecessarily, no checking mirrors or shoulder checks and one of them (I kid you not) tried getting his knee down on a roundabout on a YZF-R125.. needless to say he COMPLETELY binned it and how he didn't get hit by a car I will never know. God must love him a lot.

It's an attitude thing I reckon though, I hopped onto a restricted 600 after riding a CG125 and XR125 and I've had no accidents or anything (other than dropping the bike after doing a stoppie the day after I passed my test. But that's a different story and it's not entirely my fault. Dog ran out from between some cars in my blind spot in a 30 and I lifted the rear wheel about 6 inches and dropped the bike. First day, nerves. Dad was on his bike following me so I panicked too much, and that's been put down to experience and I learned from that mistake. Unlike a lot of teenagers do from theirs). I reckon they just think they're indestructible and don't take time to adapt to new bikes and more power.. I think it was about a month before I even considered going faster than 60 on the hornet because I was so scared of it What they need is fear of the bike, that's what encourages safety more than laws and licenses and anything else.

Besides, I'm also a firm believe that you shouldn't do an IAM's course unless you have a bike of atleast 400cc plus (unrestricted) because otherwise there is no point. It's not teaching you to ride slowly, that's what a CBT is for.. I'll probably be doing an advanced motoring course in the future, but not until the bike is unrestricted and I have full confidence in using the extra power I'll gain from it. Kids these days are handed everything so they carry that attitude onto teenage and adulthood years and their so pampered they don't know the dangers of sticking their head in an oven. Things need to change

[Miztaziggy]

doing my head in over there atm, bloody scooters and ybr125's on L's.

had one lad come on a ride with us the other week - been riding on Ls for 2 mth on a ybr.... first bend we came to he was in the gutter then on the other side of the road.... at the c&f (crouton nose how he made it there in one piece!) i tried to politely explain countersteering and how he should maybe try to tighten it up a bit on the bends... his answer - " ano, its fkin wierd innit, you turn one way and it goes the other... i think ill take it in"
he genuinely thought there was something wrong with his bike!
as his bike was leaning, he was trying to sit more upright, thus making the bike lean further....

so apart from spending 90% of a ride waiting, it's the constant worry that theyre going to bin in a bad way.
and all the noob questions.

much prefer the more mature clientelle here - regardless how purile some of the comments are!

Where is this mate? On NWB?

I dont think it's a good idea having new riders on 125s riding around with bigger bikes. They will try to keep up, or try to go faster than they can because they see more experienced riders doing it. Recipe for disaster. When Sarah had her 125 we started off with her following me. I would drive very carefully and not go fast at all, but it was still too fast for her as a new rider, and coming over the top near snake pass, she ran wide on a corner because she panicked and braked half way into the corner. Thank god there was nothing coming the other way or it would have been a head on crash. After that she always rode in front of me and at her own pace. Same will happen when she gets her 600 in a week or 2. It wont be restricted so im a little worried she will get carried away with the power, but how else can she learn?

[benny hedges]

Where is this mate? On NWB?

I dont think it's a good idea having new riders on 125s riding around with bigger bikes. They will try to keep up, or try to go faster than they can because they see more experienced riders doing it.

yeh. its gone a bit nooby atm.

with the lad in question on the ybr... believe it or not he was in front of me...
for a while anyway.
i decided i didnt fancy seeing him hit a truck so i passed him after 10 mile or so at 45-50mph.

we do always stress to new riders that they are to ride their own ride. they will get left behind but there will be someone waiting at the next turn so just ride for themselves, enjoy the roads and never feel pressured to keep up (or worry about leaving others behind)

thats great in principle as long as the idea actually sinks in!

so yeh, anyway, looking forward to some proper rides with proper riders!

[callam_nffc]

I must admit Ive noticed this a lot lately, obviously its mainly young lads but Ive even noticed loads of older blokes on thous that can't ride for sh1t

I won't be popular with this view, but I'm glad they have changed how the licencing works in some ways, I don't think you should (in theory) be able to go out and ride anything at 21

Also I think they should make cbts harder because the amount of little end of a bell I see on small bikes and scooters sticking a leg out motorcross style round corners is unreal

[VTRDark]

I dont think it's a good idea having new riders on 125s riding around with bigger bikes. They will try to keep up, or try to go faster than they can because they see more experienced riders doing it

I know that one. In London they will race around thinking they are Rossi weaving in and out all over the place. I could find myself stopped in traffic just inside the White lines because it dangerous to continue and overtake at that point. And some knob head on their twist and go will overtake around me onto the other side of the road and go around an island while facing oncoming traffic that is approaching from the lights that have just changed or something. A minute later I have caught up with them safely because they are stuck at lights. So where did it get them, there's just no point. Speeding around town does not get you anywhere faster because your held up/controlled by the Lights and the road restrictions put in place.

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[seb421]

I must admit Ive noticed this a lot lately, obviously its mainly young lads but Ive even noticed loads of older blokes on thous that can't ride for sh1t

I won't be popular with this view, but I'm glad they have changed how the licencing works in some ways, I don't think you should (in theory) be able to go out and ride anything at 21

Also I think they should make cbts harder because the amount of little end of a bell I see on small bikes and scooters sticking a leg out motorcross style round corners is unreal

some long bends when its icy i can be seen with the leg out trying to help grab it when / if the bike looses traction i find leg out and weighting the outside peg crosses over well onto the road in sh1t conditions, im sure a few of the enduro riders here must do the same

personally i believe 21 is fine mate all individuals differ,

mentally i was the same at 25 as i was at 21,

think i was 22 or 23 just when i went and got DAS i was a solid gold bell end!

wheelies everywhere and ghostrider style riding in rush hour motorway traffic.

i don't think that was my age at all just experience and maturing as a rider and the court summons that put a stop to all that

One of the best rides i've ever had was following a guy on a guzi other year he wasn't going silly speeds just the limits maybe a touch above here and there but he was silky smooth his transition from one corner to the next and his positioning etc, he was an old boy but it was majestic to watch and follow his lines as gay as it sounds lol

my dad has ridden all his life and drives 50 k a year in a car and when i go out with him i've watched him do some over takes that have literally made my skin crawl and he's mid 50's i think...

[agentpineapple]

I dont think it's a good idea having new riders on 125s riding around with bigger bikes. They will try to keep up, or try to go faster than they can because they see more experienced riders doing it

I know that one. In London they will race around thinking they are Rossi weaving in and out all over the place. I could find myself stopped in traffic just inside the White lines because it dangerous to continue and overtake at that point. And some knob head on their twist and go will overtake around me onto the other side of the road and go around an island while facing oncoming traffic that is approaching from the lights that have just changed or something. A minute later I have caught up with them safely because they are stuck at lights. So where did it get them, there's just no point. Speeding around town does not get you anywhere faster because your held up/controlled by the Lights and the road restrictions put in place.

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you would been seen dead filtering at dangerous speeds, smashing your footpeg off or whacking your mirrors, how many times have you cursed bsablokes mirror extenders...........

[seb421]

I dont think it's a good idea having new riders on 125s riding around with bigger bikes. They will try to keep up, or try to go faster than they can because they see more experienced riders doing it

I know that one. In London they will race around thinking they are Rossi weaving in and out all over the place. I could find myself stopped in traffic just inside the White lines because it dangerous to continue and overtake at that point. And some knob head on their twist and go will overtake around me onto the other side of the road and go around an island while facing oncoming traffic that is approaching from the lights that have just changed or something. A minute later I have caught up with them safely because they are stuck at lights. So where did it get them, there's just no point. Speeding around town does not get you anywhere faster because your held up/controlled by the Lights and the road restrictions put in place.

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you would been seen dead filtering at dangerous speeds, smashing your footpeg off or whacking your mirrors, how many times have you cursed bsablokes mirror extenders...........

hhahaha that just brought back a bad memory, remember when i had that 250 wet dream when my brother crashed my bike, away im going out on it to the birds and forget how much wider this thing was as i was filtering to the front of the lights my mirror clipped this guys and he was going mental i thought wombles this... im off

so i drives on and this guy is up my butt ... so i nail it on the 1978 peice of sh1t, some how manage to loose him, a mean feat given the bike was gutless and gets to the birds next thing i hear tires screeching and this car come over the speed bump flaying and he stops at a skid so i got off the bike as he got out the car im thinking here we go lets have it then wombles it

takes my helmet off this guy gets close and mate hes a wombles midget just starts screaming you clipped my mirror so i just said luck pall its not damaged it i forgot i was on this piece of sh1t im used to my firestorm and this is much wider at the bars

he was like right yeh i've got a firestorm too etc etc then got back in his car and screwed it off

i think he was expecting a 16year old or somthing and was planning a punch up



haha and that just led me onto my other memory of when i went to punch that guy that pulled out on me and it turned out to be an 80's Arnold Schwarzenegger,

i can still picture him winding down the window in the A8 and him putting his arm out and saying

Look son get back on your bike and wombles off now!

i nearly buckled seeing the size of this Hippo, i think i even said yes thank you to him as i decided running back to the bike was a good idea

[VTRDark]

Be fair I haven't cursed them, it's lovely being able to use mirrors. I just have to be more careful when filtering. Not a bad thing as I have had my days racing through gaps at silly speeds. I used to take it as a challenge a bit like playing chicken. The VTR does not breathe in like other bikes I've had

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[dragonback]

dont know why anyone on here - vtr site - would ask that question , this is a site for owners and fans of the v-twin firestorm is it not ? who gives a sh1t about in line fours they got no soul man !

Because he probably likes this forum and the people on it. So many Richard on some of the other forums.

Spot on mate.

This is by far the greatest site of all a credit to the owner and it's users

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can't argue with that , all true , go for the blade

[slower110]

Go for the Blade defo.

Should go for an RR8 though

Hey fellow Boltonion

Ive read pro and cons on both bikes one of the main ones on the gixxer being plastics quality feeling very cheap and flimsy as though you could literally tear the bike down with your hands, tho im sure if i got hand fisted with any blade i could tear it to bits

just wanting the weather to get better so i can gfo get a proper lok its been ages since ive been in a show room, trying to find a dealers that has both bikes in so i can look side by side is hard work

Cousin has a gixxer 600 k6 and tbh I was shocked at the build quality. True what you say, the plastics seem very, very flimsy and the fasteners are made of cheese! Build quality wise I think Honda puts them to shame and the engine's not to shabby either on the blade

They did have a really nice rr6 in Bolton motorcyles not too long ago, I'm sure it's still there. I was tempted by it before I seen the one I bought.

Enjoy whatever you buy anyways

[slower110]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HONDA-CBR1000 ... 2325ee8048

Still there

[seb421]

Go for the Blade defo.

Should go for an RR8 though

Hey fellow Boltonion

Ive read pro and cons on both bikes one of the main ones on the gixxer being plastics quality feeling very cheap and flimsy as though you could literally tear the bike down with your hands, tho im sure if i got hand fisted with any blade i could tear it to bits

just wanting the weather to get better so i can gfo get a proper lok its been ages since ive been in a show room, trying to find a dealers that has both bikes in so i can look side by side is hard work

Cousin has a gixxer 600 k6 and tbh I was shocked at the build quality. True what you say, the plastics seem very, very flimsy and the fasteners are made of cheese! Build quality wise I think Honda puts them to shame and the engine's not to shabby either on the blade

They did have a really nice rr6 in Bolton motorcyles not too long ago, I'm sure it's still there. I was tempted by it before I seen the one I bought.

Enjoy whatever you buy anyways

Yeh seen it on the auto trader, might for a look at it tomorrow mate.

My heart keeps saying gixxer tho.

It's a tricky one init.


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[Steve6088]

what I don't understand is why people who just pass put restricter kits on bikes. Riding a lighter 250cc where you can use all its power and learn is far more fun than riding some heavy 600cc or even a 1000cc which has been strangled by a restricter kit. Makes no sense at all, worst of both worlds . I used to love riding a 250 because of how flickable and fun it was.

we do always stress to new riders that they are to ride their own ride. they will get left behind but there will be someone waiting at the next turn so just ride for themselves, enjoy the roads and never feel pressured to keep up (or worry about leaving others behind)

thats great in principle as long as the idea actually sinks in!

so yeh, anyway, looking forward to some proper rides with proper riders!

I explained this to that friend who came out on his vfr400 that time. It was good to see he took it onboard and not have to worry about him

[benny hedges]

what I don't understand is why people who just pass put restricter kits on bikes. Riding a lighter 250cc where you can use all its power and learn is far more fun than riding some heavy 600cc or even a 1000cc which has been strangled by a restricter kit. Makes no sense at all, worst of both worlds . I used to love riding a 250 because of how flickable and fun it was.

we do always stress to new riders that they are to ride their own ride. they will get left behind but there will be someone waiting at the next turn so just ride for themselves, enjoy the roads and never feel pressured to keep up (or worry about leaving others behind)

thats great in principle as long as the idea actually sinks in!

so yeh, anyway, looking forward to some proper rides with proper riders!

I explained this to that friend who came out on his vfr400 that time. It was good to see he took it onboard and not have to worry about him

gree steve - ive started a mega row over on NWB with the same statement..... of course all the new riders know better.
tbh most of their reasoning seems to be the expense of 250s and insurance rather than the safety and skill side of riding a smaller bike.