Europe - In or Out?

[Salty Dog]

Am i reading right, London wants out of Britain and into the EU?
Man, you boys have got ya hands full over there, this should be better than Trump and Hillary ;)

[Wicky]

While London and most cities voted to remain there'll be no seperate city state/s refusing to bail from the EU. Scotland and Northern Ireland will likely have independance referundums. Spanish have made a grab for British dependency of Gibraltar. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36618796

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36616028

Shows that young folk in the majority voted to remain but turnout wasn't as good as for the 'oldies' that mainly voted to leave. And that generally cities that have high levels of immigrants voted to remain and that the country folk, without much immigration voted to leave.

Welcome to our 'probable' new Overlords



And yes the Hilary v Trumpet contest will be a lively one - and the result could very well have profound consequences on Western Civilisation!

[Stratman]

Apart from the fact that I hate the odious tw@ Farage (it's my opinion, others will have a different one I'm sure), I can't understand why anyone ever believed a word he said? He is not an MP, he failed to get elected as one and the only MP UKIP have will probably re-defect to the Tories now, so this creature could never be in a position of power and Johnson/Gove et al will drop him like a stone. So when he "promised" £350,000,000 a week to the NHS it was completely hollow, but some people believed it.

We have, apparently, taken control of our democracy. That'll be the one where we have been dragged into this fiasco by a party elected by just 25% of the electorate and where we have an unelected House of Lords with 26 bishops in attendance. Hmm.

[lumpyv]

Another problem is that gove is a heartless tw@ and Johnson is a liar who can't comprehend fine detail. I worry about who will be in charge by Christmas. Would have been nice if the leave contingent had had a bit of a plan? ?

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[VTRDark]

You may get a 2nd chance

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215

[Wicky]

Maybe we'll have an EU referendum every year till we get a result everyone can live by

[fabiostar]

A less than United Kingdom - Little Britain

Say goodbye Scotland and N Ireland and possibly Wales and welcome to Little England...

It gets even better! The Scots will have to join the Euro currency then and be bankrupt in 10 years. I see Sinn Fein are already calling for a united Ireland, would you welcome that Fab?

no im a stay part of the uk person... the country is near split 50/50 by religion here. most protestants want to be in the uk, a lot of catholics want a united ireland but with recent polls taken when it comes to the push most people will vote to stay in on both sides . the reason being most catholics know they would be better of as they are instead of joining Ireland who are in a bit of a mess money wise.. its a very mixed group i run about with and work with and iv yet to meet anybody that if it came to the vote would actually want to leave. but each to there own..

[Wicky]

Well it was close on 50/50 in the UK - so can't see why you don't get a choice - Pretty ironic if you get told you can't have your own referendum.

[fabiostar]

Well it was close on 50/50 in the UK - so can't see why you don't get a choice - Pretty ironic if you get told you can't have your own referendum.

its a lot more involved than just having a poll in this country lol..its been rumbling on for 300 years now ..

[tony.mon]

Well, the referendum has established one thing- 48.1 % of the population are whinging bad losers who only believe in democracy when it suits them.
You could always apply for dual nationality and/or move abroad while there is still freedom of movement in the ec, of which we are, and will remain, a part for some time.
Jeez, some people...


And don't start blaming rivers of blood, let's export the immigrants nationalist looneys, I have NO time or respect for them but they're such a tiny minority they simply don't count, or matter.
Martine Le Pen will prove this, I predict- calling for a French LeExit but they're such a minority they'll simply be ignored.

Nope, it's simply a case of a decision having been made- it's a democracy, people, grow up.
Apart from the ridiculousness of ending up with an unelected PM- well, look how effective and popular Gordon Brown-by-name-and-nature was- and he was probably the most effective Labour leader of recent times.

If only there was an effective opposition we wouldn't be ending up with Boris.
Discuss....

[Salty Dog]

I thought "Yes Minister" was just a TV Series!?!?

[Big_Jim59]

Well, the referendum has established one thing- 48.1 % of the population are whinging bad losers who only believe in democracy when it suits them.
You could always apply for dual nationality and/or move abroad while there is still freedom of movement in the ec, of which we are, and will remain, a part for some time.
Jeez, some people...


And don't start blaming rivers of blood, let's export the immigrants nationalist looneys, I have NO time or respect for them but they're such a tiny minority they simply don't count, or matter.
Martine Le Pen will prove this, I predict- calling for a French LeExit but they're such a minority they'll simply be ignored.

Nope, it's simply a case of a decision having been made- it's a democracy, people, grow up.
Apart from the ridiculousness of ending up with an unelected PM- well, look how effective and popular Gordon Brown-by-name-and-nature was- and he was probably the most effective Labour leader of recent times.

If only there was an effective opposition we wouldn't be ending up with Boris.
Discuss....

The press here is (as usual) full of doom and gloom over the British exit vote. I have never witnessed so much hand wringing by TV experts in all my life. The truth of the matter is Democracy still works. I take heart that, for now at least, the people can say "no." In times past one had to take up arms and I much prefer this way to oust governments.

[Salty Dog]

You would think the world was ending if you listened to news reports.

I congratulate the British people for standing up for themselves.
I hope this is the start of the people pulling governments back into line in regards to community expectation.

The UK will forge new trade agreements world wide.
Australia can expect to do very well in this regard.

Can anyone imagine Australia joining the Asian Union and having 20% of their law (including Immigration policy) dictated by the Asian Union ? Didn't think so, I don't know why people think the British should have to.

The majority of the world's population are sick of governments pandering to minority groups.
Regardless of cost, plebiscites should be held on any major decision and I congratulate Malcolm Turnbull on doing this with gay marriage here in AU.

[Wicky]

"The majority of the world's population are sick of governments pandering to minority groups. "

The minority group that precipitated this was the right-wing populist UKIP (12.6% of share of votes with one solitary MP > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29549414 ) that was a boil on the elbow of the Tories cos of the defections to UKIP slowly eroding their majority - Farage the leader of UKIP is unelected* (and unelectable as an MP and soon to be shortly jobless as an MEP) yet made promises he couldn't make (i.e http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 99906.html)

With this in mind this is in an interesting take on the consequences of the referendum choice to leave and of the split (now intensified?) within the Tories

From the guardians comments section:

If Boris Johnson looked downbeat yesterday, that is because he realises that he has lost.

Perhaps many Brexiters do not realise it yet, but they have actually lost, and it is all down to one man: David Cameron.

With one fell swoop yesterday at 9:15 am, Cameron effectively annulled the referendum result, and simultaneously destroyed the political careers of Boris Johnson, Michael Gove and leading Brexiters who cost him so much anguish, not to mention his premiership.

How?

Throughout the campaign, Cameron had repeatedly said that a vote for leave would lead to triggering Article 50 straight away. Whether implicitly or explicitly, the image was clear: he would be giving that notice under Article 50 the morning after a vote to leave. Whether that was scaremongering or not is a bit moot now but, in the midst of the sentimental nautical references of his speech yesterday, he quietly abandoned that position and handed the responsibility over to his successor. (Article 50 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36632579 )

And as the day wore on, the enormity of that step started to sink in: the markets, Sterling, Scotland, the Irish border, the Gibraltar border, the frontier at Calais, the need to continue compliance with all EU regulations for a free market, re-issuing passports, Brits abroad, EU citizens in Britain, the mountain of legistlation to be torn up and rewritten ... the list grew and grew.

The referendum result is not binding. It is advisory. Parliament is not bound to commit itself in that same direction.

The Conservative party election that Cameron triggered will now have one question looming over it: will you, if elected as party leader, trigger the notice under Article 50?

Who will want to have the responsibility of all those ramifications and consequences on his/her head and shoulders?

Boris Johnson knew this yesterday, when he emerged subdued from his home and was even more subdued at the press conference. He has been out-maneouvered and check-mated.

If he runs for leadership of the party, and then fails to follow through on triggering Article 50, then he is finished. If he does not run and effectively abandons the field, then he is finished. If he runs, wins and pulls the UK out of the EU, then it will all be over - Scotland will break away, there will be upheaval in Ireland, a recession ... broken trade agreements. Then he is also finished. Boris Johnson knows all of this. When he acts like the dumb blond it is just that: an act.

The Brexit leaders now have a result that they cannot use. For them, leadership of the Tory party has become a poison chalice.

When Boris Johnson said there was no need to trigger Article 50 straight away, what he really meant to say was "never". When Michael Gove went on and on about "informal negotiations" ... why? why not the formal ones straight away? ... he also meant not triggering the formal departure. They both know what a formal demarche would mean: an irreversible step that neither of them is prepared to take.

All that remains is for someone to have the guts to stand up and say that Brexit is unachievable in reality without an enormous amount of pain and destruction, that cannot be borne. And David Cameron has put the onus of making that statement on the heads of the people who led the Brexit campaign.

Still much to ponder...

* In the Eastleigh by-election in 1994, Mr Farage “just crept past Lord Such” of the Monster Raving Loony Party by 164 votes.

What now for UKIP? > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06 ... the-party/

[Salty Dog]

The other thing i found interesting.
Is every internet poll i saw on the subject had the UK leaving prior the Vote.
Including this site
And many others... So really, why is it such a surprise?