Powder coating wheels

[john306]

Hi, my next project is to get front and rear tarted up, I was going to try to paint them myself as they are looking a bit tatty, but reading on here how I wouldn't have any fingerprints left I thought I'd go down the powder coating route.
I've got a quote of £55 per wheel off bike (stripped of bearings, discs etc) which includes, acid bath, sand blast, powder coat paint, lacquer, tyre back on with new valve, balance.

Is this a decent price, obviously I don't know the quality as I have never used them before but they are tagged on to our local tyre dealers that I have used for years (for my car tyres only).
As I'd like to change tyres also I could get a much keener price online and get them to fit the new tyres as part of the process, hopefully, I'll ring tomorrow.
Tyre fitting there normally £15 a wheel.

Is £110 good for powder coating 2 wheels and get them back in 2 days against trying to achieve a good finish in my garage?

[tony.mon]

Not bad with the tyre fitting included- if they chip a rim fitting the tyre they'd have to re-do it.

[popkat]

Make sure you tell them they need to leave the disc mounting faces and bearing holes with no paint and not to blast these area's too, I've seen loads of supposed professional powder coaters who don't know this and paint everything, these are machined faces and need to be bare metal.. If in any doubt send them off to Triple S powder coaters they know what they're doing when it comes to bike wheels, it'll cost you more but worth it.



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[popkat]

http://www.triple-s.co.uk/index.htm

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Or this place should know how to do it properly and nearer to you
http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/powderco ... ating.html


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[john306]

Thanks for that, I have read that about telling them to not shot blast the bearing housing (but having read posts galore on everything on here over the last few weeks I did forget). Although surely they should know.... Hopefully .

I'll ring up tomorrow and start the ball rolling, fingers crossed the bearings come out easy, I've read the tips, just need to find local bearing supplier.
Thanks again.

[VTRDark]

Although surely they should know.... Hopefully .

One would like to think so but not all businesses are professional. Some even like to create a grand illusion on the outside so things all look hunky dory to the customer, but behind the scenes things can be totally different. It's worth a mention as it then lets them know that you know what your talking about and are not just joe bloggs without a clue ready to have the piss and some money taken from them. Just think how many unwitting customers take vehicles to garages only to be fobbed off with some bull all in the name of stealing money, err....I mean creating business, along with some extra unnecessary parts thrown in along with an inflated price.

As for the fingerprints. Yeh if one is doing a load of rubbing down with some scratch then yes non toughened fairy hands without the hard skin and calluses can bleed. Depends are far you go. When I was decorating on a daily basis the hands got toughened up but then have a few weeks break and then start rubbing down again (I don't like gloves as one looses the sensation of feel) the skin eventually gets rubbed down too A bit like a chef that is not used to handling heat, they burn their fingers. Continue on rubbing down then flesh can start to show it's ugly face and it doesn't take long until it bleeds if one continues, geez it stings rubbing down when things get that far, it's is difficult to continue but at times needs must. It's even worse when water is involved like with wet n dry, that really stings when dipping hands in water, especially when that water contains paint or dec caulk, dec caulk is the worst, and hands go wrinkly and dry out because you have lost all the natural oils in the skin. Been there...done it many times. A bit of dried on filler works well as temporary plaster though

[john306]

Cheers Carl, after reading that I'm getting the wheels powder coated definately.
If possible I do like to get things done myself as I know it's done right, but sometimes, as in this case , I'll have trust the experts.
Cheers

[john306]

I've just been on the phone to a local bearing supplier for the front wheels and he stated their (excellent quality £5) 6004r bearing are not a match for Honda as they use slightly different sizes to make you buy theirs at a premium cost.
He stated their bearing sizes are 20mm bore, 42mm o/d, 12mm wide, anyone confirm these would fit as I haven't got a vernier to check?
And is his statement true or false?
Cheers

[Wicky]

When I did my wheels I got my bearings & seals from a local bearing supplier with no issues.

Here's my list from the job which I took em and they supplied them from stock

Wheel Bearings Project

Front
BEARING, RADIAL BALL, 6004 (NTN) 20x42x12 (91054-MN8-741) x2
DUST SEAL, 28X42X8 (NOK) (91257-MAY-003) x2

Rear
BEARING, RADIAL BALL, 6204UU 20x47x14 (91052-MAE-004) x2
DUST SEAL, 30X47X7.5 (91253-MAE-003) x1

DUST SEAL, 30X56X7.5 (91252-MAS-003) x1

Sprocket carrier
BEARING, RADIAL BALL, 6322 (91051-MAS-003) x1
DUST SEAL, 30X56X7.5 (91052-MAE-004) x1

Industrial Bearings (Anglia) Ltd
Unit 3A
Commerce House
Commerce Way
Whitehall INDUSTRIAL Estate
COLCHESTER
Essex
CO2 8HH

Phone: 01206 793322
Fax: 01206 798401
E-mail: colchester@nbcgroup.co.uk

Just be careful when removing the old bearings and installing the new uns - remember to install the internal support collar!

Front wheel > http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/pieces- ... STORM.html

Rear wheel > http://www.bike-parts-honda.com/pieces- ... STORM.html

[john306]

Wicky, thanks for that info, I've rang up and they don't have a trade counter anymore so cant supply me from there.

As long as the standard 6004 size fits, I'll try to get them locally

[VTR Phoenix]

I think that's a lot to get two wheels powder coated. I can get them done for £35 a piece at a place local to me. Your best option for a better price is to find one of the small companies in the back streets. Much cheaper.

[john306]

I think that's a lot to get two wheels powder coated. I can get them done for £35 a piece at a place local to me. Your best option for a better price is to find one of the small companies in the back streets. Much cheaper.

I took them in today, they said £50 each which is better that the £55 they said over the phone.
I have got some new tyres to put on too which is included in the price, and it's £15 a tyre fitting around here so that makes it £35 each for powder coating, so that makes me feel better, providing they do a good job.

[E.Marquez]

Make sure you tell them they need to leave the disc mounting faces and bearing holes with no paint and not to blast these area's too, I've seen loads of supposed professional powder coaters who don't know this and paint everything, these are machined faces and need to be bare metal.. If in any doubt send them off to Triple S powder coaters they know what they're doing when it comes to bike wheels, it'll cost you more but worth it.



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How right you are, same here in the states.. The Professional Powder coaters know how to coat material professionally, but often do not know or understand that part being coated.. That is up to the owner to detail what is and is not coated.
When I was getting ready to open my powder coating business, the work order form we generated required the part owner to specify surfaces, areas, parts of the part to not be prepped, or coated, and detail any special considerations the part may require BEFORE a final quote would be issued, as those considerations may increase the perp or coating time, and thus cost…. and SIGN the work order request.
Anything the part owner did not request or disclose was of NO responsibility of the coater. I don’t know of any reputable powder coater that does not do business that way. They are experts in powder coating, they make no claim at being experts in motorcycle parts, Auto part, pump, fencing, tool, ect (unless they do).
I was able to advise in general at parts not be coated in my personal opinion, but the decision is always the owners and they OWN that decision. Same for the customer not wanting the prep services of the coater (no mate I prepped it, I just want to pay you to spray and cook it) So be it, but of the coating comes off on your way home, next week, or next year, don’t expect any refund. Prep is major important part with coating, lack of perfect prep results in a failed coating most times.