Old carbs V's New carbs

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Old carbs V's New carbs

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A few might know I had a bit of an embarrassing issue with a failed spark plug last week :redface .

On my hunt for the culprit I swapped over a few bits. One of them was a set of carbs I'd won off eBay for £10 Buy it Now. Under £20 posted.

They look close to brand new tbh. I hatched a plan to have a pair set up for economy (old'uns) & a set for track days (new'uns) & summer months.

The plan was still in the box in the shed till the above problem happened, so with the unknown plug issue forcing my hand I pulled the carbs off the bike & pulled the carbs from the shed.

I swapped over the 178 jet front & 180 rear (Keihin) from the old'uns & that was it. The new'uns kept Std needles+washer & #48 pilots with the pilot screws 2 1/4 out front & 2 1/2 rear.

Then I fixed the issue with the new plugs :lol:

I rebuilt the bike & took it for a shakedown 60 miles around the island with my mate.

It's now a bit rich low down, no choke required & a slight rich fumble at really low cruising speeds 40mph in top.Touch the choke (enricher) & it fumbles more but no problem really.

I did use Hawks setup to set up the new carbs, as I know it does work but I found it drinks fuel. It's ball park like he states & the bike loves it rich anyway.

What I've noticed is that with me leaning out the midrange with my needle filing in the old set, it had lost some mid range pull, but it did give me a increase in cruising mpg. Around 10mpg extra & at the time I was happy to live with it like that.

What I have never taken into account was the wear on the old set of carbs I had.

I knew the new set I'd put in was set up rich, but there isn't much soot on the tail pipe & doesn't reek of petrol either when running.

Not too sure of mpg but at the moment but I'm just enjoying the bike again & that lovely mid range.
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Very interesting :thumbup: You did good with a set of carbs for that price Phil :clap:

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It's most likely the hot humid weather we are getting at the moment causing it to run richer.
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The more I ride the bike it seems like the old pair of carbs were well passed their best. Totally worn out.

Ah well, only took 4 years to find out :eek2 :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Not just worn needles then :lol: You know what I'm wondering if the needles have an extra hard coating on them so filing them down would make them wear excessively faster. Also it could possibly leave a not so smooth surface so would then add wear to the needle valve. Just a thought. :think:
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cybercarl wrote:Not just worn needles then :lol: You know what I'm wondering if the needles have an extra hard coating on them so filing them down would make them wear excessively faster. Also it could possibly leave a not so smooth surface so would then add wear to the needle valve. Just a thought. :think:
Na, I only did a few thousand miles with the filed needles. I feel that I did get the needles to work ok, as I got up to 45mpg & that was great compared to 25-30 mpg previously.

I think the VTR carbs were well shagged (oval needle jet's) when I bought them, god knows what mileage they had done before they arrived at my door. Me goofing with the needles was just compensating for the worn brass needle jet.

I was aware that I was running a little too lean in the mid range because of all the group B rally car poppin'bangin on deceleration. I knew I was risking it a little, but was happy because of the brilliant mpg I was getting.

That's why I was panicking when I lost the rear cylinder. I instantly thought "that's it, I've holed the feckin piston" as I was going some at the time.

The way she's running now is like chalk & cheese.

I can't wait to book it in for another dyno run, just to see what the mid range is doing :thumbup:
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Why did I call it a valve :lol: The brass does wear. This is one of the concerns with the FP Ti needles with being so hard they have been known to wear the brass down quicker than standard needles. Now of only it was easy for us to get replacements and press in new ones.
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cybercarl wrote:Why did I call it a valve :lol: The brass does wear. This is one of the concerns with the FP Ti needles with being so hard they have been known to wear the brass down quicker than standard needles. Now of only it was easy for us to get replacements and press in new ones.
While not exactly cheap, the Factory Pro HDJ needle jets are just that, and they work extremely well too!
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Bloody hell the ether express is working. I was thinking about you as I was writing the above. :lol:
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