ignition advancer unit............

[VeetyR]

Guys we have all seen these things for sale on evilbay.....am i right in saying the general consensus is that they dont work on the storm because its carburetted?

I am a bit foncused as i just found this with a pic of one installed.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/honda-firestorm-t ... dZViewItem

[kevg]

seems to have some fancy ignition module installed as well its programeable

[VeetyR]

so u are as confused/surprised as i am kev ?

[Kermit]

Even though it's a 99 model It could well have injectors fitted or possibly a whole newer injected engine seen as it's a track bike.

[Stormin Ben]

Kermit,
The ignition module is seperate to the fuelling.
You would not need injection to utilise this module

Veety
AFAIK you are really not going to see much of a difference with an ignition module unless it is to match other mods (eg different cams, crankshaft, pistons etc)

The only other benefit of this type of unit is that you can select different maps for different gears. This would give you the ability to produce less power in the first couple of gears to make it less likely you'd highside out of a slow cornern without sacrificing power on the straights for example

I have chatted to Roger about this in the past with regard to these sort of things
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KAWASAKI-ZX9R-C1- ... dZViewItem
and he said that when he ran the Moriwaki Firestorm in British Superbike they found no real improvement by fiddling with the ignition timing even with Moriwaki cams, pistons and modified crankshaft

That said, I wouldnt discount buying a bike because it had one fitted but I'd not pay extra for it

If its largely standard you need to consider that you are basically buying a 99 Firestorm with no V5 and pay accordingly

I have just emailed the seller and asked

Can you tell me what (if any) engine work has been done on this bike?
Also, what mods have been made to the standard suspension?
And does it have frame and engine numbers?

so will see what I get back

[LotusSevenMan]

I have one of these (though not fitted yet as paperwork re wiring was initially missing).

A lot of the reason for having one is not ouright power, but that difficult to determine 'driveability'. The best power delivery is a smoooth curve as we all know. Some bikes and cars appear fast as the power all comes in with a rush but that is because at the lower revs they are quite poor (due to emission controls etc).

See graphs below. Difficult to see colour changes, but the 'Icon' Superchips is the smoother of all the curves!!!



and

[Stormin Ben]

Jeez LSM!!

These things are in the £500 price bracket for a gain of a gnats chuff!!


This graph shows mine with stock filter & Remus high level road legal cans
Purple line

Mine with Pipercross filter & jetting to suit
Red line

And a mates with K&N, Art race cans &dynojet kit
Yellow line

[Stormin Ben]

Just had a reply from the bloke to my question from earlier

hi,bike is standard except for ignition chip and cans.

- knibby3105

Interestingly no answer to the frame &engine numbers question!

[LotusSevenMan]

Geoff H and yours Ben are pretty good but still have that 'hollow' around the 4 .5 thou area.

How much are these Superchip things really?
It's a long story but mine was a bargain beyond belief then.
Where did you see it priced at that much please?

Cheers, LSM

[Stormin Ben]

Geoff H and yours Ben are pretty good but still have that 'hollow' around the 4 .5 thou area.

Fair comment
BUT
at 4.5k mine and yours are making 45bhp ish
Geoff's is making 55!!! Imagine how sweet that felt to ride

Superchips -I found a US site that had similar ones up for $999
Admittedly they were car ones but still . .