Views of the Australian PM. What do you think

Fireman on a Storm · Post by **Fireman on a Storm** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:37 pm

Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you", he said on National Television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option", Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off", he said.
Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
Quote: "IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians."
"However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia." "However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand." "This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute o ur sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle."
"This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom"
"We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!"
"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."
"We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us."
"If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like "A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.
"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,
'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'."
"If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted."

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves, Canadian, American and English citizens will find the backbone to start speaking and voicing the same truths !

KarlosVTR · Post by **KarlosVTR** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:57 pm

thats all well and good but wtf is happening to this dog shite country and who will stop it

the bnp is too radical and lets face it, the fat c*nt they got to replace the spineless one isnt too good either

vtrkarl · Post by **vtrkarl** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:34 pm

what a good speach..cant he be pm here instead of the shite we got

Kitch · Post by **Kitch** » Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:40 pm

http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9497

still good

VTRgirl · Post by **VTRgirl** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:13 am

Pretty sure that's a load of piffle, but considering we had an election last week & now have a new PM, it doesn't really matter.

Interestingly though, I don't think our new PM (Kevin Rudd) will be as butt-licky with the US. He seems to be a bit more "in touch with the people" & hopefully will do a decent job. Fingers crossed!

(Addit: Just re-read the link to the old thread on this, saying it wasn't piffly at all and am just as amazed as I forgot I was then...)

Stratman · Post by **Stratman** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:48 am

Pretty sure this was exposed as a hoax, and whilst I may agree with much of the sentiment (though not all) it does have some rather serious inaccuracies:-

This idea of Australia being a multi-cultural community has served only to dilute o ur sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle

Last time I looked, the sovereign was actually QE2.

"Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture."

It was founded on the principle of deporting people from the UK originally and the Roman Catholic Church work camps over there were responsible for some horrific sexual abuses to the boys in their care. Hardly Christian, I'm an atheist and so are many aussies I would imagine

"This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom,

Actually, it belonged to the aboriginal people before it was stolen.

Rant over. Off to Manchester for the weekend to see my son.

VTRgirl · Post by **VTRgirl** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:57 pm

What's your beef with Oz, Stratman?

"Our" land, etc, includes our indigenous. In fact, in recent times, Australia has gone to great lengths to incorporate more Aboriginal culture into the education system with a view to uniting our population further.

And for the record most Australians do believe in God. We are basically still a Christian nation, although some eastern religions are growing rapidly & probably not far off taking over as a majority. Atheism is actually quite a small minority.

I find it interesting that Christians are frequently berated (and often with good reason) for "bible-bashing", yet those who don't believe are free to spew quite offensive anti-Christian sentiment at will (and no, I'm not finger-pointing -- just an observation in general).

I'm a Christian. I am NOT a bible-basher. If someone disagrees with what I believe, that's fine. I don't think I'm any better & I'm not going to hassle them at all. But in the same way, they shouldn't slam my choice to believe.

Also, there are heaps of examples of abuse within whatever churches. That's no longer a secret. I think it's dispicable & any church that tries to cover it up should be very publically & legally punished. But I don't care what you believe or where you go (and not just in religious circles), there are going to be some bad eggs around. I've never abused anyone. I've never stolen from anyone (unless you count that eraser from the book-shop when I was 8...). And I generally go about doing "good". I work hard, earn good money & give a lot of it away. I don't see why I should be labelled negatively just because some other scum "claim" to share my beliefs.

Rant reponse over. I'm off to bed.