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Re: idler gear type problems

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I have been following the thread for a while Fabio, but am not brilliant with electrickery so have not posted any advice.

This might be reaching a bit, but as your running out of ideas. Do you reckon that you might have some swarf from cutting/lightening the flywheel which might of entered the one way bearing/sprag clutch causing it to jam tight??

After I cut mine, it was a job & a half to clean with the magnet from swarf.

Also, are you using the same sprag & bearing when you change over flywheels?

Just a thought :confused

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fabiostar wrote:yup tried the lot :( . iv now two sets of relays. starters.batteries , cables everyrhing you need to start an engine. tried jumping it from a bike and a car but zero.. still bumps fine and engine runs ok. it turns the starter clutch gear behind the flywheel fine but when the flywheel goes on it just hasnt the guts to turn the engine over more than the once?? baffled??
Have you tried using a jump lead direct to the starter motor live (+) terminal bolt :?:

Also what about the earth connection, is that good/clean and tight at both ends of the lead :?:

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Have you checked the neutral lead connection at both ends :?:
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flywheel wise i was running the lightened one for a thou miles or so. iv changed back to two standard flywheels still no joy.
mcdee it turns the sprag gear (behind the flywheel) dead on but its not until you put the flywheel on that the engine tries to turn..

so today and this is plain strange. my mate steve brought his bike up. we put is starter and cables and other electrical parts on mine. and ................ nothing ,just the same... now heres the strange bit, put all my bits on his and it started but sounded a little lazy.. so we swapped all the bits back. mine still didnt start and wait for it.......with all his own stuff back on his.. his wont start now either and we spent ten mins bumping it.

now figure that out :confused :confused :confused :o // my bikes fecking smit his now..

ps, while trying to get mine to start with my starter and steves i noticed both starters go a little warm?
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fabiostar wrote:flywheel wise i was running the lightened one for a thou miles or so. iv changed back to two standard flywheels still no joy.
mcdee it turns the sprag gear (behind the flywheel) dead on but its not until you put the flywheel on that the engine tries to turn..

so today and this is plain strange. my mate steve brought his bike up. we put is starter and cables and other electrical parts on mine. and ................ nothing ,just the same... now heres the strange bit, put all my bits on his and it started but sounded a little lazy.. so we swapped all the bits back. mine still didnt start and wait for it.......with all his own stuff back on his.. his wont start now either and we spent ten mins bumping it.

now figure that out :confused :confused :confused :o // my bikes fecking smit his now..

ps, while trying to get mine to start with my starter and steves i noticed both starters go a little warm?
Have you taken enough out of his battery to cause that?
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tony.mon wrote:
fabiostar wrote:flywheel wise i was running the lightened one for a thou miles or so. iv changed back to two standard flywheels still no joy.
mcdee it turns the sprag gear (behind the flywheel) dead on but its not until you put the flywheel on that the engine tries to turn..

so today and this is plain strange. my mate steve brought his bike up. we put is starter and cables and other electrical parts on mine. and ................ nothing ,just the same... now heres the strange bit, put all my bits on his and it started but sounded a little lazy.. so we swapped all the bits back. mine still didnt start and wait for it.......with all his own stuff back on his.. his wont start now either and we spent ten mins bumping it.

now figure that out :confused :confused :confused :o // my bikes fecking smit his now..

ps, while trying to get mine to start with my starter and steves i noticed both starters go a little warm?
Have you taken enough out of his battery to cause that?
we tried maybe 3 or four button starts on each thats all.. god knows but im keeping my bike away from his... iv just checked mine again. im getting 14v across the battery. im getting the same from battery to relay, but outa the relay im getting 10v? and 10v the rest of the way down to the starter? is that not a bit low?.. im getting that reading on both my relays i have .
i did try jumping across the relay connections but it still wont turn it over.
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Ooer - those missing volts are critical if only 10v is getting to the starter which won't be enough to churn it over.

Didn't you already replace the starter relay? Is the fuse okay? any corrosion in and around that department.
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Wicky wrote:Ooer - those missing volts are critical if only 10v is getting to the starter which won't be enough to churn it over.

Didn't you already replace the starter relay? Is the fuse okay? any corrosion in and around that department.
yeah iv replaced the relay. all looks fine and iv cleaned every wire i can find. it did all look in good condition but checked anyhow... it is poss i suppose iv two dodgy relays. at least i hope so... so thats my next change,again lol.
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Oh Gosh!
I feel your pain. One minute is sounds like something is stopping the engine from turning over and draining so much current the motor is getting hot and the relay is chattering because its dropping the voltage so much. The next, it sounds like the relay. What next?
Personally I have had trouble with the connectors. If all the nuts, bolts, washers and leads haven't been polished with emery board to get a nice shiny clean finish, you could be losing current at every connection. I would then get my jump leads and put them straight from the car (with it running) onto
Your bike battery. Then get another jump lead (and it must be a proper jump lead, nice and fat so it can transfer the current. Not a bit of old bell wire)and go Battery Neg to frame and Battery Live straight to the starter bolt.
One of two thing will happen.
1) Bike will start. Yay! :D
or
2) Starter motor will get really hot, if the engine stalls it, and possibly start to smoke just before it Dies :eek2 .
Then you at least know if you have a wiring fault or a engine problem

Don't know what more to advise really.
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we tried maybe 3 or four button starts on each thats all.. god knows but im keeping my bike away from his... iv just checked mine again. im getting 14v across the battery. im getting the same from battery to relay, but outa the relay im getting 10v? and 10v the rest of the way down to the starter? is that not a bit low?.. im getting that reading on both my relays i have .
i did try jumping across the relay connections but it still wont turn it over.
when you say 10 v out of the relay ,is the lead connected to the starter and the bike is turning over or trying to turn over (this is important )
if it is connected and you press the start button the volts will drop as the starter is a massive load on the battery .( very close to a dead short )
If of course the lead is not connected to the stater then the volts should be the same either side of the relay
As the men have said you should use a jump lead from the battery straight to the stater connection ,making sure all is clean ,it will spark a bit but you must be strong with no girly screaming if you girly scream your not a man (i have mentioned this before on this site ) and you shouldn't be on a vtr anyway so just park it up and no one on here will laugh promise

OH forgot to say be careful with the wonder lead don't let it touch the bike anywhere else other than the stater 8)
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il give those a go when i can face looking at it... the storms been fired into the corner and the wee divvy is in full time use atm.

i hate electrics because i just dont get the subject at all. :Argue 1:
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well i tried jumping, i near jumped myself. i also tried praying and facing east,

its dead. :( .... but worse is an evil man has offered me bad money,like £600 the way it sits and i think the old girl may be going to a new home :confused . il have a few beers and consider the offer.... but cheers lads again iv learnt two things... i hate electrics. and a broken vtr is as much use as a choccy fireguard lol

tho at that price im keeping the quills and link pipes :thumbup:
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Well, if you are throwing the towel in :wtf: Any chance of the crank stub back so I can cut another for a friend?

Give it a month in the corner Fabio, you'll be sorry to let it go for £600.

Especially when he obviously knows what's wrong & will have it up & running in an evening & be laughing at you down the pub :(

Psst, see him over there... That's the guy I ripped off & got that yellow VTR from for £600, hehe....

I fixed it in half an hour & I sold for £1300, all it was, was a...........

Or he'll be waving at you as he passes you on your Divvy, sniggering :evil:

Give it a while, read up on the various forums, your never the first to experience problems that no one else has had.

BTW, £600 get a grip :wtf: :roll:
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oh jesus sorry the stub went outa my mind :( . il get that rite back to you.....

looking at the manual.. has anybody ever heard of problems with the diode in the fuse box?
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can you get someone(who knows what they are up to) to go round it with a meter ? probably easier than buying loads of new bits ?

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