well ongoing from my bucket not starting. got my new starter and old starter tested and im afraid both are working fine .
so.
this starter idler gear ? what am i looking at? iv the casing off,the flywheel of and the sprag clutch off but thats as far as im gona go because to be honest iv no idea what im doing beyond that.. i can see what i assume is the problem gears but how can i tell if they are fooked? it spins fine both ways,iv the starter out atm. but they dont seem to spin relative to each other.
any way of testing if they are broke with them in the engine?
ps.. try to make it as if your explaining the problem to a 5 year old cause i dont do inside fourstrokes
iv had a read through that a few times. well about ten times . 4 strokes for me are like brain surgery ,the thought of going near the cam timming fills me with, oh fuk iv wrecked it lol.. so trying to figure out if these gears are wrecked without getting them out or find somebody over here who will touch it..
I've not done this job myself yet, so can't really advise you that much. Going through Tony's thread (link for that I posted above), were you getting that screeching sound he mentions below
tony.mon wrote:It's only this if there's a screeching sound when you press the button, and you pull the alternator cover off and can see the motor turning but the alternator isn't!
If this isn't the case it's a dodgy lead to the starter motor and/or connection bolt on the motor itself.
im getting a sound thats kinda like that but it sounds and feels like its coming from the starter. iv the casing of. when i put the starter clutch thangy on and press the button the starter spins, and spins the idle gear which then spins the starter cltuch behind the flywheel. then when i fit the flywheel. both standard and lightened flywheel and my mates spare one the motor may turn over once at the very most then the noise from the starter starts and the relay clicks and the motor wont turn over?
infact thinking it was electrcal iv now two starters.two relays and two sets of cables and still the same
Relay shouldn't click if it's the transfer gears.
To check this, try attaching jump leads forma car or another bike with their engine running.
If your bike starts fine then it will be battery or possibly reg/rec.
If you still get the screeching sound it's the transfer gears.
It's not falling off, it's an upgrade opportunity.
fabiostar wrote:im getting a sound thats kinda like that but it sounds and feels like its coming from the starter. iv the casing of. when i put the starter clutch thangy on and press the button the starter spins, and spins the idle gear which then spins the starter cltuch behind the flywheel. then when i fit the flywheel. both standard and lightened flywheel and my mates spare one the motor may turn over once at the very most then the noise from the starter starts and the relay clicks and the motor wont turn over?
infact thinking it was electrcal iv now two starters.two relays and two sets of cables and still the same
I agree with Tony, and as you first thought, it sounds more like an electrical problem, as in the battery not up to job. Do lets us know when you've checked out what Tony suggests,
yup tried the lot . iv now two sets of relays. starters.batteries , cables everyrhing you need to start an engine. tried jumping it from a bike and a car but zero.. still bumps fine and engine runs ok. it turns the starter clutch gear behind the flywheel fine but when the flywheel goes on it just hasnt the guts to turn the engine over more than the once?? baffled??
tony.mon wrote:You've mentioned cables, have you swapped the main cable that goes between the relay in the seat plastics and the starter motor itself?
lol yep two of those aswell. iv near enuf to build another bike and the cable from the battery to the relay. only thing i havnt changed is the starter button itself but iv cleaned it and it always sends the juice to the starter when i hit it so im assuming thats working... has me beat i have to say.. it just sounds like a bike with a dud battery thats went flat but iv two batteries and the yamaha one so thats counted out..
fabiostar wrote:yup tried the lot . iv now two sets of relays. starters.batteries , cables everyrhing you need to start an engine. tried jumping it from a bike and a car but zero.. still bumps fine and engine runs ok. it turns the starter clutch gear behind the flywheel fine but when the flywheel goes on it just hasnt the guts to turn the engine over more than the once?? baffled??
what do ya mean when the flywheel goes on it ,,,,does it turn over ok when its off
did you do a lightened fly wheel recently ,is it possible that you are missing something when rebuilding
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. 4 strokes for me are like brain surgery ,the thought of going near the cam timming fills me with, oh fuk iv wrecked it lol.. so trying to figure out if these gears are wrecked without getting them out or find somebody over here who will touch it..
