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Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 6:56 am**

I always thought it said more about the rider

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 11:47 am**

that is not good. somewhat reminiscent of the A10 through Tottenham every morning. However its hard to tell whether the red car is overtaking something itself or has just barged the rider. If its the former then I have much less sympathy for the rider.

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 12:03 pm**

The bikes far too near the back of the car imo. Very poor postioning. With the way the seats driving I woulddnt want to be parked on his bumper. Its a bad overtake from the bike too. The car overtake is irratic. Poo driving/riding all the way round...

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:19 pm**

yeah scary stuff! Driver didn't use his mirrors - but as 60% never seem to the rider should have been a bit more cautious!

Sh*t happens and more so when your in a rush!

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:36 pm**

Timbo wrote:I fail to see how it is the rider's fault Kitch? He was behind the car long enough for him to have seen him. It looked to me like the car was going to overtake, watch the shadows as they come onto the straight, the SEAT is right up someone's butt.

And the plate is either Italian or Spanish (more likely as its a SEAT) and neither are known for their consideration and courtesy on the road

Its a terrible overtake. Jbrebel covered it.

Not to say that its not the car driver's fault, just the rider didn't do himself any favours.

Posted: **Fri Aug 29, 2008 5:42 pm**

+1

The rider should have been about another 20 feet back. IMHO

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:14 am**

clack wrote:that is not good. However its hard to tell whether the red car is overtaking something itself or has just barged the rider.

I agree with Clack

It's a job to tell exactly from that clip (even though I've spent long enough studying it), but if I'm not mistaken it looks like the red car deliberately pulled out into the bikes path, as it doesn't look like there's a car right in front of the red one, only further ahead

Chris.

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:42 am**

Mike,
I did see that too, but I hadn't thought that it might have been another bike which is a good theory. I thought it was too small for a car and may have been a shadow from something at the side of the road.

Chris.

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 12:01 pm**

At 8 seconds the car moves to the left, if you look up the right hand side there's another car right in front of him. That's the shadow Mike mentions. Looks like a bloody stupid manoeuvre by both rider and driver as there's hardly and room in front of the car being overtaken.

Posted: **Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:30 pm**

I think I would have to say it,s a combination of the 2 actually. But mostly the car driver . Biker for being so close and the car driver for not noticing the accident ahead until the last minute therefore braking, swerving and knocking the over taking biker off.

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:39 am**

The small shadow was probably cast by one of them really slow TEAL coloured Storms

Posted: **Sun Aug 31, 2008 9:40 am**