finally did my CCT's and R/R

[Jscobey]

the first thing i read about the storm on here was to change out the CCT's and R/R.

even after my R/R failed last year, i replaced it with a finned non mosfet R/R. but this past week i FINALLY headed the warnings and installed ZX-14 mosfet R/R.

and then last night i put in a set of APE manual CCT's. i was really over thinking the whole CCT job. it was much simpler than i had made it seem.

i followed these directions on the Kreiger site http://www.clems-garage.com/CCT/VTR1000 ... ctions.htm which is the "take off the rear valve cover, do the rear CCT, and then rotate the crank 450 degrees counter clockwise and do the front CCT without having to take off the front valve cover" method and it worked great. the chain didnt jump or anything and it all went off without a hitch and im no expert mechanic.

feels good to have piece of mind not having to worry about the 2 most common troublesome parts on the VTR failing at any time.

thanks to everyone who posts how-to's and tips on here.

[Wicky]

Well done - couple less concerns to worry about

IIRC Mark Krieger got the MCCT installation instructions from here circa 2011!

[sirch345]

Well done

i followed these directions on the Kreiger site http://www.clems-garage.com/CCT/VTR1000 ... ctions.htm which is the "take off the rear valve cover, do the rear CCT, and then rotate the crank 450 degrees counter clockwise and do the front CCT without having to take off the front valve cover" method and it worked great. the chain didnt jump or anything and it all went off without a hitch and im no expert mechanic.

I was just looking at your link and thinking those instructions look rather familiar, almost like mine, and then I see this:-

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This instruction was borrowed from the VTR1000 Firestorm web site, written by Chris, with minor editing. I was referred to it by the first rider to order a set of the VTR cam chain tensioners. It didn’t make sense to “reinvent the wheel” here.

I suppose I should be grateful my name got mentioned

Chris.

[Jscobey]

yes i saw that they were "borrowed" from here. i liked the way he (or you, chris) numbered it and didnt over crowed it. its explains things in detail but keeps it simple.

it was difficult to follow some other write ups ive seen where there is just wayyyyyy to much info being thrown at you. those directions were just one step after the other and very easy to follow. so great job chris! much appreciated

[seb421]

i would be pissed if he was using somthing i made for personal gain with just a nod to a name

[Jscobey]

i would be pissed if he was using somthing i made for personal gain with just a nod to a name

i dont think hes using anything anyone did for personal gain.

there really is only one way (well a few variations) to put in MCCT's. all he did was grab a really well written set of step-by-step directions and post them on his website so they are easy to find for his customers or anyone for that matter.

hes not profiting off of the directions. he could have re-worded the same thing so that hes not copying but why when they are already so simple and clear. plus he did give Chris the credit.

[VTRDark]

plus he did give Chris the credit.

That is the main thing and what makes it acceptable to use. If there was no credit given then that would be a different issue. Either way it's very difficult to control copyright internationally as every country has different copyright laws.

Jscobey you didn't like my guide then Some folk prefer a visual reference others are quite happy reading text, so that's cool buddy. It's nice that there is a choice Well done on getting the job done, you can have some peace of mind now.

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[sirch345]

yes i saw that they were "borrowed" from here. i liked the way he (or you, chris) numbered it and didnt over crowed it. its explains things in detail but keeps it simple.

it was difficult to follow some other write ups ive seen where there is just wayyyyyy to much info being thrown at you. those directions were just one step after the other and very easy to follow. so great job chris! much appreciated

Hard to believe I wrote that thread in 2007 Yes I numbered the instructions as you can see here:-
http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=8326

Chris.

[ninja636109]

Hi I was just wondering how you set the chain tension with out taking the front cam cover off?

[ninja636109]

Ahh I see I just read the guide as I have just done mine and I removed front and rear cam covers and adjusted the chain to 7 mm of static play between the cam pullys..

[TravisZack]

Yeah, so you can lock the CCT you're removing and use that to set the manual one. - Anyone reading this, don't do that.

I think I'll still remove both covers when doing mine though and check all is correct.

[VTRDark]

Yeah, so you can lock the CCT you're removing and use that to set the manual one.

Well that's another bit of misinformation there wherever you got that from. There is no need at all to lock off the Honda tensioners if replacing with manuals. There is no comparison between Honda tensioners and manuals, they are totally different designs and operation.

Hi I was just wondering how you set the chain tension with out taking the front cam cover off?

Basically one is taking a calculated guess and either dong it by feel (whatever your sense of feel you have ) or using the same measurement as the rear by either counting the turns on the tensioner or measuring the length. There's various methods and ways but none account for any variation in wear between both cylinders/chains. Well, maybe doing it by feel will but there is room for error there and is not always that precise.

What one has to remember is that Clems garage or any other sites that have used Sirches instructions on here, is that they where designed for the stopper mod where chain tension is automatically set by the Honda tensioner. This has nothing to do with manual tensioners. The only thing that is relevant is setting either the rear or front cylinder to TDC on the compression stroke before removing either tensioner.

Each cylinder should be treated independently as you would with jetting or anything else for matter. For the sake of an extra 30-40mins work I really don't see why people don't remove the front cam cover and adjust things precisely first time. Otherwise you may find yourself going back and tweaking things which breaks the gasket/loctite seal risking leakage along the thread, maybe even adjusting the tensioner with the engine running and risking the tensioner running away as the engine spins, slackening off the chain completely and causing damage your want to prevent in the first place. I'm not saying it can't be done in the right hands if you have the confidence and know what they doing, but why take the extra risk for the sake of 30-40mins.

For anyone wanting to fit manual tensioners I would advice you use the following guide.
Manual Cam Chain Tensioner Installation Guide (MCCT's)

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[Jscobey]

I agree carl. However I'm lazy so I installed the rear MCCT with the cover off to 7mm slack. then I used my calipers to measure the distance of rod coming out and adjusted the front so that it had the same length of rod coming out of the MCCT. Worked well enough for me. YMMV

[TravisZack]

Yeah, so you can lock the CCT you're removing and use that to set the manual one.

Well that's another bit of misinformation there wherever you got that from. There is no need at all to lock off the Honda tensioners if replacing with manuals. There is no comparison between Honda tensioners and manuals, they are totally different designs and operation.

Step 10 in the linked guide.

Like I said I wouldn't do it like that, sounds dodgy as hell. I've read all the other guides and would definitely just have both covers off.

[VTRDark]

Step 10 in the linked guide.

Now that's an interesting one just to confuse things even more (sorry Chris) It just goes to show how long it's been since I read it. So from what I can gather that means take the measurement on the auto tensioner then set the manual tensioner to that measurement, then install the manual tensioner pre-tensioned as it cant be measured once put in place. Mmmmm bit of a topsy turvy way of doing things, but yeh I suppose that would work. FYI if you measure the chain tension from the Honda autos it leaves approx 5mm slack.

What I meant by misinformation is that there is no need to lock off the Honda tensioners to install manuals. Just loosen the bolts in a criss cross pattern so it un-tensions evenly as it's being undone. Throw away and install manuals. Some instructions go as far as saying to make a locking key and lock them off first. Waste of time IMO, might as well use that time to remove the front cam cover.

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