paint code question

[Miztaziggy]

Ive just had mine done by a pro, and the colour match isnt exact. You can see the difference on the tank and fairings, though as they dont touch, it isnt too bad.

Im going to take the tank and get that done now though.

Basically it is the pearl that is hard to match apparently, the original colour paint costs a fortune if you get the proper Honda stuff, so the cheap replacement stuff wont be as 'deep'.

One thing to try is to do more coats, the guy who did mine said they needed 5 coats to get a deep enough colour to match. He used a litre to do my front and back fairing only.The colour of primer you use will make a difference too, any imperfections will easily show through such as dark spots or anything.

[budd]

Thanks for the input guys, and I think the problem is combination of the ideas suggested in the last few posts, but first have look at this pic taken this morning in the sunlight.


Match looks much better under sunlight, and while it isn’t 100% perfect the strip lights in my garage highlight the difference, I now think the mix is actually pretty good and believe the problem is in the application, now I’ll admit to rushing the job a little to ensure it was painted for Friday this combined with the fact I just hung it from the garage roof when I shot the colour as resulted in an imperfect job, I may have got away with it had it been a solid or normal metallic shade but this pearl appears to need a lot more care.
Firstly I think as someone mentioned getting the right number of coats on is essential to achieve the desired shade, when I look at the panel I can see where it’s applied slightly heavier that the tone is richer, and also it seems important that the paint is applied in the same orientation across all the panels, because the tint changes as you look at in from different positions, I guess this the point of pearl paints,
So I think I’ll end up ‘carefully’ painting the whole front end ensuring the paint is shot from the same angle and direction on each panel and building up the number of coats till the necessary shade is reached, hopefully I’ll get it right the next time, thanks for everyones help and advice.

PS I’m ashamed to admit my garage is a proper tip and I really need to tidy it up, my problem is I start another job before I finish the last one, currently I’m part way through re-triming my TVR interior I’m also building a Impreza race car, and converting my van with extra seats for the kids and space for the bike (this needs to be completed for Friday as it’s booked on the steam packet to the Manx GP) along with all this I’m trying to paint my bike, I really should know better.

[AMCQ46]

Wow, given the number of projects on the go I am surprised you can still find the garage.

Busy time getting it all ready so I hope you enjoy the Manx

[Miztaziggy]

If the lights in your garage make it look different mate, try it under a sodium street lamp or a white street lamp, it will probably look even worse.

I had a red car once that had some body kit painted that looked fine in the daylight, but at night, looked god awful as the colours were all over the place, especially under sodium orange lights.

[budd]

yeah it's a bit of a nightmare at the moment, I've got cars stored in neighbours garages, a council lock up full of ‘stuff’, an Impreza in bits on the drive and a little paint cell set up in the garage, that’s why the garage looks so untidy I basically pushed everything to one side so I could staple up some sheeting to spray in, it will be nice to get away for a few days, forget about all the mess and unfinished projects till I get back, then I need to get organised and make some progress.

Re the colour under lights, I know what you mean, red cars are really bad, my TVR (red) as had the nose painted a couple of times (they are really prone to stone chips) and under street lights it certainly stands out, but in the daylight it’s not noticeable, this caused by the original colour fading and the new paint been fresh and un-faded red is by far the worst colour for this.
While fading of the old yellow paint may be a minor factor (the bikes is after all nearly 15yrs old and the paint looks original) but I think it would be barely noticeable and not standout in the way applying new paint to a red bike would, which leads me to believe it’s down to the depth and orientation of the paint, it’s as if the pearl ‘flakes’ aren’t lined up the same so they reflect (refract?) the light in a different way, unfortunately this will mean painting the whole front end, which given the number of other the jobs I’ve got on the go will have to wait, although not perfect it will do for the time been , at least until I’ve a bit more time and I can source some replacement VTR stickers.

[budd]

I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm sorting out the paint on the storm as part of it's prep prior to taxing it.
Other things it will be getting are a full service inc coolant flush and replacement, but at the moment I'm looking at the paint.
As described previously in the thread I'm having problems matching the pearl yellow paint.
These are the panels taken off the bike





the colour on the right is more similar to the post '99 shade see below


the above bike is a later model with the slightly lighter shade that is more like the shade I had mixed than the original pre '99 colour although frustratingly they share the same paint code, nice one Honda,

As you can see below the right (O/S) panel I've tried o colour match is a different shade (slightly more 'lemony' and not quite as rich) from what people have said it is very difficult (impossible even ???) to archive a perfect colour match with this shade, however my paint supplier is going to try and 'tweak' the mix to improve it but I'm pretty sure it's never going to be 100%, where the panels join the difference is most obvious



even if I blend it in I still don't think I'd be happy so I've got hold of a damaged fill panel and painted it white (it's only white primer at present) but it should go some way in diverting the eye from the slight difference in shade, plus it looks a lot like a anniversary edition only in yellow.
The pic below was taken last night and I think looks quite good, it's only assembled in mock up but and I still want to try to improve the shade abit but it looks an whole lot better than with the yellow panel.


So I'm going to get the paint done and then i need to decide whether to fit a clear or lt smoke tint double bubble screen in place of the OE.

[budd]

following the problems I had with colour matching the O/S fairing I decide to paint the N/S panel as well, my paint suppier tweaked the colour adding some tint to 'richen' the yellow compared to the previous mix, I've posted afew pics which look great but don't tell the whole truth, the co;our is now more 'orange' and to be honest worse then before but the pics don't show this and the match looks better than it is, so it's back to the drawing board, I'm pretty sure now I'm going paint the tank and tailpiece in thre new 'richer' shade, which is more like the ducati yellow, other than the issues with the colour match I think the bike looks OK I like the white 'number board' to which I've added a Marco '58', the jury is out on this but it's only a sticker and will peel off if neccesary, but it's staying for the moment, I've also added a light tint DB screen (cheers toecutter) which I also think looks good I've not rider the bike since I fitted it (it's getting taxed for apr 1st ) but I'm hoping it will stop some of the buffeting the OE screen seems to create.
So I've just the front mudguard and hugger to finish in 2K clear and the it will be good enough till I get round to painting the rest to match thr fairings, then it's a quick oil change and off to the Isle of Man at easter for the pre TT thrash

[agentpineapple]

i thought the yellow like some of the other colours is a candy paint which is best left to the pro's, and even they don't particually like doing it. and i've recent bought the tahitan blue paint, which is also a candy paint, the base coat is silver followed by the blue then the clear, alot of work involved.

[budd]

i thought the yellow like some of the other colours is a candy paint which is best left to the pro's, and even they don't particually like doing it. and i've recent bought the tahitan blue paint, which is also a candy paint, the base coat is silver followed by the blue then the clear, alot of work involved.

yeah I think it's a pearl rather than candy ( the factory code as a P surfix which i believe is pearl) but it is the same 3 stage process ( for yellow it's a white base coat followed by the colour base then clear ) and your right it's a right pain and I can see why is not a job anyone really wants to do, you can see when painting with it that if it goes on even slightly 'heavy' it changes the shade and once it's on you can't get it off, well you can but it means starting from scratch, I think I've painted thr O/S fairing 4 or 5 times now and it's still not right still practise makes perfect.

[toecutter]

Screen looks good on it
I wouldnt have the patience to keep repainting it!