Styler's yellow bike won't run (Fixed) (Not quite) YESSSS.

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Re: Styler's yellow bike won't run (Fixed) (Not quite)

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Styler4077 wrote:It's a mechanical noise (bang) def not a over run pop or bang from the exhaust.
It's from the front cylinder area maybe the front cylinder or the area of the starter motor.
I have it in my head that the cam chain had jumped one tooth, not something I think can happen as I've had the manual CCT's fitted.
I'll do a compression test if i can and I'll also see if others can have a look at it when it's running....
If you dont sort anything this week I will try and speak to an engineer/engine specialist at work and see they can clue up.

Can you try and describe as much as you can about the problems, I know you listed something there but the more info you can give me the better.
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I'm heading to see Styler on Thurs, not that I know anything, but could maybe get a vid of the problem up?
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Styler4077 wrote:It's a mechanical noise (bang) def not a over run pop or bang from the exhaust.
It's from the front cylinder area maybe the front cylinder or the area of the starter motor.
I have it in my head that the cam chain had jumped one tooth, not something I think can happen as I've had the manual CCT's fitted.
I'll do a compression test if i can and I'll also see if others can have a look at it when it's running....
Is it when you first start that bike?, I sometimes get that from my Harley, but it shouldnt do it on your storm.

Worn conrod bearing liner?.

Could be loads of different sh1t.

Its not going to be CCT or anything loose, if it was you would have known by now. is it regular?

The best way to get through it is to work through it logically, simple things first.

Wish I was there to listen.
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hi, dont know if this helps but this fault you describe sounds very similar to a fault i had with my sv650 (my winter bike)...

all was running fine rode through snow/ ice etc all was well then one day . bangs when starting, front cyclinder knocking when idling and part throttle. to name a few probs.then next day running fine then it would do it again.so after much time spent checking it and almost altering it with a sledge hammer, my fault turned out to be poor connection to the plug cap at the front cylinder.

i hope this experience is of some help to you..
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Will look into that. BigVeeGrin is over tonight to have a listen.
I'll take a video of the sequence of events.
I post the results tonight.
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Well it runs at about 98% ....
Filled her up with fresh tesco 99 RON fuel added Redex fuel additive and ran it for 100 miles at legal speeds :D
But at max revs most you the time. :D :D
Didn't miss a beat after she was warmed up and full of fuel.
Throttle is a little slow at returning just enought to notice it doesn't snap shut.
And it uneven at around 4000 rpm when in traffic trying to do 30 or 40 mph I think it got better the more I rode her.
Off to check her over and top things, pressurise things and oil things for the French trip Friday.

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styler, welcome to the farting and popping firestorm....sounds like the petrol tank is gonna explode.....tickover up :thumbup:
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p.s. tank pipes are, 1small to the carbs for vacuum - operates the tap, another same size is the breather pipe so the tank doesnt implode-if this is trapped or kinked it will work on tickover but the carbs struggle to suck enough petrol in because the tank cannot get enough air in the tank to replace the fuel, next size up is the overflow pipe- drains to below the engine, and the last 2 big ones are for the carbs.
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Styler4077 wrote:Well it runs at about 98% ....
Filled her up with fresh tesco 99 RON fuel added Redex fuel additive and ran it for 100 miles at legal speeds :D
But at max revs most you the time. :D :D
Didn't miss a beat after she was warmed up and full of fuel.
Throttle is a little slow at returning just enought to notice it doesn't snap shut.
And it uneven at around 4000 rpm when in traffic trying to do 30 or 40 mph I think it got better the more I rode her.
Off to check her over and top things, pressurise things and oil things for the French trip Friday.

Relief .................
Good jaarb, as the Americans would have it.
Throttle might just be twistgrip rubber touching the switchgear or bar end- try a tiny drop of washing up liquid either end and see if it goes away.
If not, it's a pipe touching the throttle mechanism under the tank. Or a cable on the way out..... better find out now than two miles from the ferry port....

If you need cables let me know.
Uneven at 4K?
Recheck all the vacuum pipes- especially where they join onto the engine or tank, as those old rubber pipes crack on the inside- if that's what you see, just clip off 3-4mm from each end and refit.
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Cheers Tony, I'll go over all these thing tomorrow night.
Insurance tomorrow as it runs out on Thursday and I go Friday.
Hope the French police like printed email versions :( :(
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Glad to hear you're seeing some joy at last Styler :clap:

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Just read the post and haven't had much experience with v twins I hold my hand up to that. Let's hope ur problem is solved. If it reoccurs I believe I read it started after fuel tank removal? I would possibbly take tap out the tank as normally there's a filter gauze internally that may be choked up? Another test is normally fuel taps don't use the vaccum side of things on reserve. Maybe worth a test run on reserve setting. I would imagine 4,000 rpm on a storm would be the point where the main jet takes over from the needles although u say u have swapped carbs or did u just swap the tops? If its dynojetted remember the needles will wear the tubes although would prob appear very slowly not an over night symptom.
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wisecobandit wrote:Just read the post and haven't had much experience with v twins I hold my hand up to that. Let's hope ur problem is solved. If it reoccurs I believe I read it started after fuel tank removal? I would possibbly take tap out the tank as normally there's a filter gauze internally that may be choked up? Another test is normally fuel taps don't use the vaccum side of things on reserve. Maybe worth a test run on reserve setting. I would imagine 4,000 rpm on a storm would be the point where the main jet takes over from the needles although u say u have swapped carbs or did u just swap the tops? If its dynojetted remember the needles will wear the tubes although would prob appear very slowly not an over night symptom.
Hi, mate.
Agree on needle jets and needles, wear is gradual and you wouldn't notice it suddenly. The Storm doesn't have a reserve tap setting, so it can't be that, though, and although I've never needed to remove the tap from a tank I don't think there's a gauze fitted either- someone correct me if I'm wrong, pls.

Seems to me that simply disturbing the fuel tank on removal can cause a flake of rust or some foreign object pumped in with fuel to move and partially cover the outlet; after a while the fuel sloshing around as you ride can move it out of harm's way once more. If that's the case you're very unlikely to be able to track that down.

It's never a bad idea to fit two small see-through filters in line, just remember to check them and clean/change when visibly dirty.

Re the photocopies, the new MOT's are also just a printout these days, our local plod would know about that, but it might take the foreign lot a year or two to work it out. Might be worth printing off a DVLC info sheet to attach to it, if you have the new type.
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tony.mon wrote: Agree on needle jets and needles, wear is gradual and you wouldn't notice it suddenly. The Storm doesn't have a reserve tap setting, so it can't be that, though, and although I've never needed to remove the tap from a tank I don't think there's a gauze fitted either- someone correct me if I'm wrong, pls.

Seems to me that simply disturbing the fuel tank on removal can cause a flake of rust or some foreign object pumped in with fuel to move and partially cover the outlet; after a while the fuel sloshing around as you ride can move it out of harm's way once more. If that's the case you're very unlikely to be able to track that down.
Tony, going by the fuel taps for sale on ebay, they do seem to have a gauze filter fitted to them. But after saying that you do occasionally see fuel taps for the Storm for sale without a filter. May be somebody fitted Stylers tap without a gauze filter :?: Certainly worth having a look Styler.

As you say Tony, if it has no gauze filter fitted, removal of the tank could cause any loose particles to end up getting into the fuel run.

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Yep, agreed. I looked at a tap on Ebay for comparison and it had no filter, but after posting I looked at some others and they do.

There you go, the old x-ray eyes aren't what they once were :lol: ...
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